Lila Theme Official Thread (Part 1)

scaba · Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject:

i think i call a stop on the ebuild for now, till we have decided how to continue with Lila. i don't know which way is better, monolithic or modular, and i don't mind either, but i just know that i don't want to have my portdir overlay cluttered with dozens of lila ebuilds. i don't mind a couple, but not too many, because it would be a pain to download, digest and emerge them all, if not being done automatically by portage.
if we decide to go for the modular approach, i would suggest to do ebuilds for each programm, as dgt84 already mentioned. i propably woudn't do a separate gtk or backgrounds ebuild but just include everything needed for, let's say xfce (gtk themes, lila icons, wallpapers...) in a xfce ebuild. same for gnome and the others. that way, i only have to get a few ebuilds.
i don't know if this is feasible, just a thought.
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dgt84 · Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject:

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Snooper · Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject:

an idea might be using use flags for the themes and colors say for gtk there is the base lila then all the other themes so USE="theme1 theme2 theme3" emerge gtk-lila then if they passed the other themes by USE go head and download them. enlightenment is this way atleast the themes are all optional to install maybe you can snoop around in the ebuild?

so just have a base for bootsplash, gdm/kdm gtk/qt etc... and USE flags for all the other themes available under the lila umbrella...

superjaded · l33t Joined: 05 Jul 2002 Posts: 802

Whether or not it's going to particularly matter, why does the current lila-artwork ebuild check for openbox-themes to check whether or not to install the openbox themes? I installed them manually and they worked fine without openbox-themes installed.

salmo · Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 6:42 am Post subject:

To summarize I really like the idea of having a tarball for each target application (lila-program-version.tar.gz) this makes our lives easier as well as others. Say fedora or debian or whoever wanted to package Lila for their distro (maybe rebranded or something), with tarballs like these they could easily throw together RPMs or DEBs to suit their needs.

I also like the suggested idea of doing the ebuilds a la gstreamer. Suprisingly our needs match up very well with theirs. One difference, though is that we don't really have a base package that everything else depends on, except maybe backgrounds. Everything else is dependant on having the themeable application installed.

The rest of this is off the top of my head. There will be KDE users who want the GTK themes but not GDM, Gnome Icons, etc. but all Gnome users will want the GTK themes and the Gnome extras. So I'm thinking a GTK theme ebuild, and a seperate Gnome ebuild that depends on the GTK one.

I'm thinking the bootsplash stuff should be installed by default like the backgrounds. It's just a couple files, and trying to pick up every and any situation where the user has a bootsplash-capable kernel is going to get weird.

Those are the only odd situations I can think of. The rest of the ebuilds will only depend on the targeted application (lila-kde requires kde, lila-xmms requires xmms or beep, lila-openbox requires openbox or maybe *box).

Oh and for the record, my opinion is that we should aim for Portage inclusion.

scaba · Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:30 am Post subject:

salmo · Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject:

To summarize I really like the idea of having a tarball for each target application (lila-program-version.tar.gz) this makes our lives easier as well as others. Say fedora or debian or whoever wanted to package Lila for their distro (maybe rebranded or something), with tarballs like these they could easily throw together RPMs or DEBs to suit their needs.

I also like the suggested idea of doing the ebuilds a la gstreamer. Suprisingly our needs match up very well with theirs. One difference, though is that we don't really have a base package that everything else depends on, except maybe backgrounds. Everything else is dependant on having the themeable application installed.

The rest of this is off the top of my head. There will be KDE users who want the GTK themes but not GDM, Gnome Icons, etc. but all Gnome users will want the GTK themes and the Gnome extras. So I'm thinking a GTK theme ebuild, and a seperate Gnome ebuild that depends on the GTK one.

I'm thinking the bootsplash stuff should be installed by default like the backgrounds. It's just a couple files, and trying to pick up every and any situation where the user has a bootsplash-capable kernel is going to get weird.

Those are the only odd situations I can think of. The rest of the ebuilds will only depend on the targeted application (lila-kde requires kde, lila-xmms requires xmms or beep, lila-openbox requires openbox or maybe *box).

Oh and for the record, my opinion is that we should aim for Portage inclusion.

Keffin · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 11:26 am Post subject:

Just Lila-fied everything in XFCE4 except the window manager. Strangely the default WM theme seems to fit in better than the Lila ones, which is what prompted me to go Lila in the first place.

Great stuff, thanks!

The only thing that seems to be missing is a bash script icon in XFFM.
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Malakai · Apprentice Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Posts: 299

I pretty much prefer modularity in this case, after careful consideration. The amount of use flags that could exist once Lila becomes more cross-application is massive, and multiple ebuilds that can be updated as their respective artwork is updated will be much easier to maintain.
For example, I only use gnome, so I don't need to update the whole lila ebuild if say something for xfce or openbox3 is updated.

telex4 · l33t Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Posts: 704 Location: Reading, UK

Update from fd.o on the CVS accounts and mailing list:

salmo · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 5:07 pm Post subject:

A mailing list would be nice. A lot easier to keep up with than this thread. :wink:

dgt84 · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 9:21 pm Post subject:

telex4: that's great news

Also, here's a metacity theme everyone can play around with

(be gentle, I just started learning metacity theming today)
Using this theme we can make a gnome meta-theme now

To install the theme, extract it to /usr/share/themes
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Snooper · Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 2:14 am Post subject:

Just an idea but now that we have a theme going maybe we can condense all the gtk themes into a few with color options "purple (default), red, blue, and green" so say themename-purple/red/blue/green same for icons. I can get all the icons done most likely tomorrow i was working on that, then just figure out the titlebar colors for the red green and blue i was going to do this for myself cause i didn't want to step on anyone's toes doing the themes.

question for dgt:
the lila icons folder in the gtk theme can that be moved to gnome-icons? then all that is in one place and easy to mantain when icons or updated or added then just have lila purple/green/blue/red under the icons tab in themes and just the gtkrc files under the gtk theme?

Freak_NL · Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject:

asimon · Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 2:59 pm Post subject:

The latest release (0.7.1) of the scalable KDE icon theme doesn't contain an index.desktop file, although the python script tries to copy it.
Effect: not usable under KDE.

Freak_NL · Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 4:06 pm Post subject:

I wonder if it is usefull to have a Bugzilla for the Lila theme collection? Might be easier to track bugs that way.

smithlx · n00b Joined: 23 May 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Raleigh, NC

Ok so I was checking out this thread and liked the theme. However I wasn't crazy about the purple. I really like the Icons. So I hacked it Blue. Then I hacked it Yellow. Then I realized I needed to put together some GTK and Openbox stuff for it. Then I did the backgrounds. Seriously overdid it....
Thanks to all the guys who put all the stuff together it is great.
I used the python/perl tools and gimp 2 to smack this stuff together.
I made some home pages with screenshots.
http://smithlx.org/lila-blue.php
http://smithlx.org/lila-yellow.php

If there are glaring issues or you need credit for art work or need me to remove something because I missed a copyright just email me
bsmith AT SmithlX dot Org
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Freak_NL · Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:57 pm Post subject:

dgt84:
The Lila Metacity theme seems to slow down dragging windows around considerably; my CPU shoots to 100% and redrawing existing windows lags behind. I'm not sure what is causing this problem, but perhaps performance can be improved by using external SVG buttons instead of drawing them from within the Metacity XML file?

I don't see this performance problem with other Metacity files.

scaba · Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:56 pm Post subject:

what about the lila-eclass? has someone tried to do one?
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dgt84 · Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 5:18 pm Post subject:

Malakai · Apprentice Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Posts: 299

That xml page displays nothing at all really. I'd like to see the theme (unless that is the theme?).

EDIT: got it, didnt realise it needed the folder structure.

superjaded · l33t Joined: 05 Jul 2002 Posts: 802

Just as a FYI, I've been working on an eclass for the past few days (and actually learning how to make an ebuild/eclass in the process) and I've finally got some semblance of a working ebuild.

Lila ebuild, eclassized.. lila.eclass along with a eclassized GTK+ and GNOME theme ebuilds that utilize the eclass.

Since this is my first ebuild that wasn't just a retool of another ebuild, it's probably hardly elegant, but it seems to work with what little I've tested it so far.

It has a little configuration options in the shape of variables.
It gets the filename like this Lila-<cut -d'-' -f'3-'>-version.tar.gz/bz2. So for the GTK+ theme, you'll have to rename it to Lila-gtk+-0.3.tar.bz2 for it to work out of the box. The Lila GNOME theme should work out of the box with no modifications, however.

But as I said, it's semi-configurable via two variables.
BASEDIR -- base directory where it'll install to. Defaults to /usr/share/themes.
INSTALLAS -- if you compress a given theme without a directory structure, you can use this variable to change what directory it installs to. Defaults to "Lila-x" where x is "liila-artwork-x" in the ebuild name. Set INSTALLAS to _null if you just want the ebuild to copy the directory structure as-is to BASEDIR.

Feel free to change it, modify it or do whatever you want with it.

EDIT: Oh, and lila-artwork-gtk+-industrial doesn't work, so don't try it.

Freak_NL · Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 9:21 pm Post subject: