xfree is officially DEPRECATED on AMD64!!

El_Angelo · n00b Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 26

I don't get it then....

get sirius · Guru Joined: 27 Apr 2002 Posts: 316 Location: Madison, WI

I have a fresh install of xorg-x11 on a fresh system install, and "opengl-update nvidia" went fine. Is it also necessary to "opengl-update xorg-x11", or is that only for those who changed from xfree? The reason I ask is because although xorg comes up just fine, it goes down hard! e.g. whether I use XSESSION with the default window manager or KDE, or just boot directly into KDE using xdm, ending the session to change user or to reboot or just system halt, the system freezes. My only recourse is to do a hard reset; control-alt-backspace has no effect. :cry:

If anyone has any suggestions, I would be very happy to hear them. By the way, it's all straight 64-bit (no multilib), gcc-3.3.3 with binutils-2.15.0.1.1 and cflags of "-O2 -pipe". Relatively conservative (I say "relative" because, after all, this IS Gentoo!). Oh, and glibc is compiled with nptl support.

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Oops! My bad. :oops:

Obviously the wrong place for my previous post. My apology hereby tendered.

rac · Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 11:09 pm Post subject:

I really think it's cleaner to unmerge xfree first, and then emerge xorg-x11, rather than the dodgy expedient of using -BO.
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kezzla · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject:

Well no more 64-bit for me....No 3d acceleration really blows a$$ for my 9800 pro using xorg... I had no problems installing/configuring everything...but I get lockups daily. I never "switched" from xfree...I did a fresh install via 2004.1 amd64 minimal - and just chose xorg over xfree.

Xscreensaver is S L O W ! Xine is S L O W...anything that requires full screen video for that matter...Anyhow just my opinion - might help those with ATI cards + amd64 choose not to mess with 64bit gentoo mess just yet. Getting an nvidia card is **not** the answer for me, as I'll be getting X800 Platinum gaming goodness soon enough...I realize ati linux drivers aren't great and 64 bit ones prolly won't be out anytime soon. I was just curious how solid 64bit stuff was atm...I will say this >> Firefox will NEVER be this fast in windows

I'm sure I'll go all 64 bit one day...when windows xp 64 bit is released ! :evil:

Back to re-install with pure 32-bit tonight...

Aggamemnon · Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 4:54 pm Post subject:

Well, I've got a statisfactory X-org going on an M10 using the default 2d drivers.

The lack of 3D is annoying, but I solve that by dual booting into XP for games

LouTheBlueGuru · Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 12:26 am Post subject: After Step 2 Compile Errors

I get compile errors during step two of the install. The most prominent is:
Xftint.h:xxx:error:ISO C forbids data definition with no type or storage class. This if followed by more errors in the src compile.
Also
xftcfg.c:33:error: 'FcMatchFont' undeclared (first in this function)

Any ideas?
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srs5694 · Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 2:18 am Post subject:

Is there any way to bypass this deprecation of XFree86? Xorg-X11 simply is not working for me (see Gentoo bug #49180 for details; in short it seems to be a video card driver bug), but XFree86 is fine. I'm seeing updates to assorted programs (KDE stuff, mostly) that insists on emerging Xorg-X11, so I can't install these updates if it'll also install Xorg-X11.

woeye · Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 8:10 am Post subject: @El_Angelo

Today I had exactly the same error on my AMD64 box.
I have gcc-3.3.3-r5 and binutils-2.15.90.0.1.1-r1. Any idea? Perhaps I should try a older gcc oder glibc?

woeye · Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:13 am Post subject: xftcf.c error solved

After some investigation I found out that a simple reemerge of freetype solved the problem.
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BlueDragonX · n00b Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 44 Location: United States

I haven't had any problems with my dektop which uses the Opteron 144. That's aside from no ECC support, so that's disabled ATM...

Anywho, it's useing XFree at the moment. I can't switch to X.org yet since the machine is in the US and I'm in China...will have to wait a week or two.

EDIT

Well, I was having problems with it on my laptop, but nevermind, I mighta fixed it...

Dephyler · n00b Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 31

hey devs, can you PLEASE update the amd64 install guides. for example, the installation handbook contains a link to the desktop configuration guide, which is done with the xfree packages. even if it's just a simple links to this thread or something. ANYTHING is better than nothing. I'm new to gentoo and pretty much f'd my installation, which is ok, but it'd be nice to have all of the req'd info in one place rather than in multiple docs and threads.

deph

jthompson · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject:

I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask this question...

Can you ssh from a plain old x86 machine running xfree86 into an amd64 machine running xorg-x11? Would you be able to execute X programs through this ssh connection?

...maybe I'm just asking for too much...
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Little Nemo · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:57 am Post subject:

Yes, you can, yes you would. It doesn't matter whether the AMD machine is running an X server or not. It's enough to have certain libraries installed with the X11 clients. The X11 client will run on the AMD machine in 64 bit, but it will use the x86 machine's display for output, if the latter is properly configured to allow this. You could even use a Mac or a Windows box or whatever else to display the client running on the AMD as long as you have an X server running.

jthompson · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject:

Cool, I thought there might be some kind of conflict between the two different X server versions. I'll try it out if I get the chance.
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srs5694 · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject:

X servers can vary in capabilities, but most programs should work, at least minimally, with most recent X servers. You might lose some features (perhaps including anti-aliased fonts), but programs should run. (Anecdote time: I've got coLinux running on a Windows XP system, and I've got Gentoo and Fedora installed under coLinux. Because coLinux uses a Windows-native X server to run X programs, I'm using XManager as my window manager, and it works pretty well with both Gentoo and Fedora.) As to XFree86 and Xorg-X11, the latter is a fork of the former, so their differences are unusually slim at the moment. I don't know of any programs that'll run on one but not the other, although there might be some particularly exotic or demanding programs that would have problems with one but not the other.

Erdie

Hi,
the migration to xorg went well according to the descreptoin above, but there were servere stability problems while using opengl applications like 3D screensavers and quake3. Somtimes the whole systems freezes without ability to log on remotely. I am usin the nvidia drivers together with a fx5900XT MSI card. Therefore I went back to xfree and there are no more problems since serveral days. But this can only be a mid term solution. I have no idea where the problems are coming from ..

Erdie :cry:

UPDATE:

since using gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.7-rX there are no more stability problems. The system runs very stable even when I am player around with 3D stuff extensivly. Now it makes really fun ..

kamina · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:48 pm Post subject:

I have a fresh install of A64 2004.0 and I get the following error:

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Dreq · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 111

I don't know why you guys are complaining about 64-bit.. Yes there is no ATI support -- ATI is going to pay ~BIG~ for that very quickly. But beyond that, I am running native 64-bit, and even things like VMWare work just fine. I dont' get crashes, and my system runs retardedly fast. However, there were a few things I had to do to get everything running all pretty:

1) Make sure SMP is disabled
2) Enable pre-emptive kernel
3) Compile DMA support for your chipset (BIG performance boost here)
4) Enable 32-bit binary emulation support

Everything is running like a champ. Even without 3D acceleration, I can compile 3 things at once, while listening to music and chatting on irc, and the system runs silky smooth.

Ledneh · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject:

So xfree has been given the shaft completely and totally across the Gentoo field, right? Should this sticky be removed?
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