"Are we losing users to Gentoo?"

mooman · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 1:28 am Post subject:

Wow. Lots of interesting comments in that thread.. I read nearly all of it. Here are some of the choice bits:

rac · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 1:40 am Post subject:

simulacrum · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:27 am Post subject:

Having myself been a Slackware user for the past few years, I can identify alot with what was said regarding Gentoo being a hype driven fashion of the moment distro. Occassionally I hang out on #slackware and recently had a conversation about Gentoo.

A point I found particularly intersting was that a few years ago when Linux begain gaining in popularity Slack was the 1337 distro to use. All the cool people had to use it and it gained a lot of popularity as a result. General consensus among the people I was talking to was that Gentoo is enjoying the same fame, but that it will die down, or out.

To be honest, it took a lot from me to give Gentoo a try. I like Slackware a lot, and I'm not even sure that I'll stick with Gentoo. Granted it's still linux, but there's a lot to learn: system init, service management, etc. It'll be a long time before Slack ever leaves my server, that's for sure. But what I have seen, I really like. I like Portage, compiling all binaries, and being forced to install only what you need.

The biggest factor though, has been development and community. Perhaps the biggest knocking point for Slack is its far and few releases. When I started investigating Gentoo, I was astounded at how current all the available packages were, how you could keep them up to date, and I really like the forum. A large community of users specific to this distro ready and willing to help, not being restricted to off-and-on IRC chats.

uncle_meat · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 93

Hmmm, I've often found myself running the "31337" distros, but only because they happened to be the best solution for me at the time. I used to use Linux as a server only... Slackware (and later, Debian) were good choices for me. Now I'm seriously using Linux on the desktop for the second time - the first time was with SuSE. This time around, the Linux UI seems a lot more responsive. It actually feels like a Windows machine in that respect.

I probably would've gone with Debian if I could've gotten it to work on my hardware... Debian is what I know. But the performance of Gentoo and the openness of the developer/user community is forcing me to rearrange my prejudices.

EzInKy · Veteran Joined: 11 Oct 2002 Posts: 1742 Location: Kentucky

Yes, I've been following that thread for a while now...even brought it up here myself before https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=23969&highlight=
I couldn't help but get the feeling the computing just isn't fun for those guys anymore.

pem725 · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:26 am Post subject:

I'm on my 4th distro since 1993 - slack, redhat, mandrake, and now gentoo - and I can tell you that support and cutting edge have lured me to gentoo. Don't know how long I'll stay but I really do enjoy the forums. As far as debian, I installed it several times over the years and liked what I saw but I can say one thing about the debian community (no flame war please) they were not as helpful or friendly as the gentoo crowd. I got more RTFM's in one day than I could possibly stand. To date, not one useless suggestion from the gentoo crowd. Keep it up and thanks for your efforts.
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Lovechild · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 8:17 am Post subject:

Compiling from scratch is really hyped, what makes Gentoo cool is the technical merits like rc-updating and USE flags.

Evangelion · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:16 am Post subject:

Is it just me, or are some of those Debian-guys a bit arrogant?

exhilaration · n00b Joined: 03 Dec 2002 Posts: 18

I didn't need to create an account here for three weeks and through two separate installations because of the massive wealth of information I could access through searching.

I was blown away at the patience that you guys have shown with newbies. While searching, I'd find that the same question had been asked 15 times, yet instead of the RTFM responses I was expecting, I found polite links to previous discussions.

YOU GUYS ROCK!

It's nice that everything is compiled from scratch, but what I was looking in a distro for was a stupid-easy installation tool. After having dealt with Red Hat's RPM, and knowing of Debian's multi-year lag, Gentoo was the natural choice.

I'm not going anywhere.
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progster · Apprentice Joined: 16 Jul 2002 Posts: 271

I found it funny that they are considering (and working on) an alternative source based system and gentoo users are thinking about an alternative binary based system. Other then that I found the following responses very interesting:

progster · Apprentice Joined: 16 Jul 2002 Posts: 271

charlieg · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 1:02 pm Post subject: Sums it up

I think a quote from this message sums it up.

henke · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Sums it up

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Bahh... let them stay on the corner alone, happy with their extraordinary computing knowledges...
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sgaap · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:42 pm Post subject:

pfft, I just migrated from debian to gentoo about 4 months ago, just because debian unstable/testing was lagging behind, when trying gentoo I not only noticed that it was faster and more up-to-date but more importent: the software seems to work better if you compile it yourself, the only thing I miss (a bit) is debconf

Still using debian on my router though, but I did change my divx/pc -tv setup from debian to gentoo

Evangelion · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:48 pm Post subject:

Lovechild · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:59 pm Post subject:

So we are the Debian elite rejects?

carambola5 · Apprentice Joined: 10 Jul 2002 Posts: 214

Hrmm....

Jester · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 3:35 pm Post subject:

As far as the "hype" goes, I don't think that's true in all cases. I didn't come here for the hype. What attracted me to Gentoo was Portage and the fact that it allowed me to install just the stuff I wanted, rather than getting all the other crap that I didn't need like I did with Redhat. It wasn't about what was popular at all; it was about usability and choice and optimization for me, but that's just for me.... :wink:

charlieg · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:58 pm Post subject: Well...

...honestly it was a mixture of hype and recommendation from a friend that brought me to Gentoo.

But that was 4 months ago and my system will be Gentoo for the forseeable future. Considering Mandrake 8.1 and 8.2 didn't last a month between them on my PC, that shows that there is some substance to the hype.

I did originally want to try debian, but due to my newbity and Debian's let's make it difficult to get the isos and install attitude, I skipped straight to Gentoo. I have to say I'm glad I did.

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bleakcabal · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 5:10 pm Post subject:

I admit I was only drawn into Gentoo because of the hype, the cool logo, the name and to show off to my friends

Tournesol · n00b Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 5 Location: Canada

I came to Linux through various Mandrake/Red Hat distros. Because I grew frustrated with RPM, in Dec. 2001, I started using LFS. I learned a lot from it.
LFS is great but it lacks a proper package management system. So , one or two months ago, I started to look for a new distro. My final 2 choices were between Debian and Gentoo. After reading their documentation, visiting different websites, I decided to use Gentoo. So far, I am not disappointed. I really like Portage. I found the forums and documentation useful.

I will certainly like to try Debian someday .... but right now, as long as I am happy with Gentoo, I will continue to use it.

Praxxus · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:17 pm Post subject: Hrmph

I essentially started using Gentoo because my ....ing KDE clock would never show the right time in Red Hat.

. . . and Mandrake's munged menu system ticks me off.

. . . and I have enough of the RPM dependency hell at work.

. . . and I liked the idea of running an entire system that wasn't compiled for a 386.

. . . and a friend of mine highly recommended it (thanks Sam!).

. . . and the install docs were great.

Like someone else mentioned above, it took me a few weeks to create a forum account, because so many of the answers I needed were already there, in a friendly, helpful manner. In fact, I think I finally signed up so I could help answer questions too.

I have never tried Debian. I've run SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, Mandrake, Mandrake, Mandrake, Mandrake, and RedHat (as opposed to work, which is RedHat, RedHat, and RedHat).

I don't plan on running Debian, as long as Gentoo is around. In fact, I'm twisting my brain, trying to think of an excuse to put one of our "production servers" on Gentoo. :twisted:

Oh, and my KDE clock works now, too. ;-)

solatis · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:43 pm Post subject:

Why *SHOULDN'T* you put a production server on gentoo?

I mean, THOSE things should perform REALLY well, and gentoo is just the thing that does that...
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