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sgaap l33t
Joined: 16 Aug 2002 Posts: 754 Location: Enschede, The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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So for some works, for some 2D gets stuffed and for some it won't go...
I suspect the variance in performance (both up in 3D and down in 2D) is dependent on your HW... Would you mind including your actual nvidia GPU when reporting this kind of stuff?
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Ok, ik got an 1ghz tb and a ti 4200 (64mb) on a kt133a using nvagp
(3123 drivers: 3800+ glxgears)
I did not test glxgears (only tribes2 and Ut2k3) with the new drivers and my experience was some minor 3d improvements over the older driver (still: improvements)
2d however was very sluggish, window drawing horribly slow (nvidia's 2d accel seems to be as slower as no accel with the xfree nv driver)
Using the accel option didn't change a thing for the 2d speed and running opengl apps (fullscreen or windowed) neither
I think that the people who had no problems with 2d actually had better cpu's, or maybe the accel differs between gf 3> and gf4 (due to the different 2d implementation)
I am waiting with these drivers though until nvidia fixes this (pretty large) problem, until then 3123 is fine |
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xr31Daisy Guru
Joined: 19 Jul 2002 Posts: 326 Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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sgaap wrote: | I think that the people who had no problems with 2d actually had better cpu's, or maybe the accel differs between gf 3> and gf4 (due to the different 2d implementation). |
I've got a P4M 2.0GHz, with a GF4Go, and 2D become quite slow : it's not a CPU problem !
And glxgears went down from 1900 to 1700
My config : dell i8200, P4M 2.0GHz, 512MB, GF4Go 64MB, 1600x1200x24. _________________ #include "pictures.h" |
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aardvark Guru
Joined: 30 Jun 2002 Posts: 576
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I emerged the new driver too, just before typing this and straight after an rsync.
I will probably add to the confusion by telling you guys that my 2d performance has slightly improved!! (or at least not slower). Especially unhiding windows in kde is now instant! I have not added the renderaccel option (yet). Unfortunately they havent fixed the smooth scaling in the y-direction for video playback yet as it still produces a staircase effect on my screen (how do I fix this? works fine in windows 98, not nice for TV movie viewing.)
My hardware :
Duron 900
Nvidia TNT 2 pro
Gentoo 1.2 (good old fast )
LOLO 2.4.20-r1-pre2 kernel
PS my glxgears remained the same. |
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lx Veteran
Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 1012 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Bad |
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Lowspirit wrote: | Once again the nvidia-kernel does not compile with 2.5 kernel, changelog says the 2.5 nvidia kernel patch is no longer needed for this new version, yet the compile says :
Code: | nv-linux.h:40:4: #error This driver does not support 2.5.x development kernels!
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I've just compiled it for my 2.5.51 kernel using the new patch from http://www.minion.de/nvidia.html . I'm sure this will be added in the next release of the ebuild....
Cya lX.
Ps. still have to install the module itself by hand, well modprobe doesn't work and it doesn't get loaded automatically so I have to use insmod, but it seems to work great..... _________________ "Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.", Frank Zappa |
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nempo Guru
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 360 Location: Linkoping, Sweden
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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dek wrote: | Has anyone got the two Xserver thing to work?
I want to use the second Xserver for tvout with my GeForce4 Ti4200. I strictly followed "APPENDIX R" of nvidias readme.
My Monitor (Screen0) is working fine and there is something happening on my TV (Screen1), too.
The TV seems to become initialized. It looks pretty much like when kdm is started and you don't have a background image.
Now how do i display something on the TV?
Code: | export DISPLAY=:1.0
xterm
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Here is a shortened version of my XF86Config:
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Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Iiyama VisionMaster Pro 450"
HorizSync 30-115
VertRefresh 50-160
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "TV"
HorizSync 30-50
VertRefresh 60
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "nvidia0"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "NvAGP" "1"
Option "NoLogo" "1"
Option "DigitalVibrance" "1"
Option "RenderAccel" "1"
# Edit the BusID with the location of your graphics card
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
Screen 0
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "nvidia1"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "NvAGP" "1"
Option "NoLogo" "1"
Option "DigitalVibrance" "1"
Option "RenderAccel" "1"
# Edit the BusID with the location of your graphics card
BusId "PCI:1:0:0"
Screen 1
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "nvidia0"
Monitor "Iiyama VisionMaster Pro 450"
DefaultDepth 16
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen1"
Device "nvidia1"
Monitor "TV"
DefaultDepth 24
Option "TVStandard" "PAL-G"
Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "800x600"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "GeForce4 Ti4200"
Screen "Screen 1"
InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
Screen 0 "Screen0"
Screen 1 "Screen1" leftOf "Screen0"
EndSection
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Go find the xinerama how-to. I'm in school atm so can't help anymore...teacher's comming. |
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dek l33t
Joined: 16 May 2002 Posts: 657 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Go find the xinerama how-to. I'm in school atm so can't help anymore...teacher's comming. |
I've already posted, that it is working now.
I think xinerama has nothing to do with this setup (please correct me if i'm wrong). With the new drivers you can have two seperate xservers running at the same time. (or is the second nested?).
I don't need a mouse on the second screen, nor moving windows between both screens. So what i'm doing to play movies on my TV is:
Code: | export DISPLAY=:0.1
mplayer ...
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Works pretty good. But i experience a nasty problem when logging out of KDE or rebooting. The screen sometimes locks up.
It is still possible to ssh into the box and reboot it though. _________________ Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music. |
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morck n00b
Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 60 Location: Moers, Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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the speed has really increased ... at least for me ... but i don't know if i can live with that 5-minutes-delay before the Xserver starts.
with the old driver it was only 5s ....
cya,
morck |
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suka Developer
Joined: 22 Apr 2002 Posts: 383
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:29 pm Post subject: Gnome 2 |
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Looks like this is a problem with gnome2, just tried KDE 3.1rc5 works fast as ever, while Gnome 2 is just crawling along. Maybe others can proof that. |
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Raccroc n00b
Joined: 08 Sep 2002 Posts: 46 Location: Austin
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Has the name of the module changed?
I just installed kernel 2.4.19-gentoo-r10 and while doing so I emerged nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel. Everything went fine except loading my NVdriver. Upon further investigation, I found it didn't install NVdriver, rather it installed "nvidia.o".
Nevermind...answered on another thread, plus found the answer when running etc-update.
Last edited by Raccroc on Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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sindre Guru
Joined: 01 Nov 2002 Posts: 315 Location: Norway
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not notising the 2d being slower, when enabling RenderAccel I only get lockups.
P4 2.4 GHz
256MB Samsung@380 mhz
GeForce2 MX
2.5.50 kernel |
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johnio n00b
Joined: 15 Sep 2002 Posts: 46 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:13 am Post subject: |
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I am having mized success. 2d performace comes and goes.
Sometimes it works great, other times not at all.
There does not seem to be any praticality to it. |
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zez Apprentice
Joined: 13 Jun 2002 Posts: 256 Location: Oregon, United States
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:30 am Post subject: |
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I'm on an AthlonXP 1600+ w/ GF3Ti200. 2D performance and 3D performance is about the same. In glxgears, 3D is slightly slower, but in real world performance, there's no real difference. Since I'm not running into any problems so far, I guess I'll keep this set. |
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fuxored n00b
Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 71
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:55 am Post subject: |
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I've not noticed any slowdowns in my 2d at all. 3d got a small boost, but for the most part performance is about the same here. Can't say much about stability yet, but seems ok so far.
This is on a p3 500
geforce 2mx 64m
448m ram |
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hook Veteran
Joined: 23 Oct 2002 Posts: 1398 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 8:12 am Post subject: |
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has anybody cosidered that it could be the wm that causes slow-downs?
maybe if everyone sent the wm they are using and tell if it runs better or slower would help _________________ tea+free software+law=hook
(deep inside i'm still a tux's little helper) |
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HotShotDJ Apprentice
Joined: 06 Nov 2002 Posts: 166
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 8:45 am Post subject: |
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I, too, upgraded to the new Nvidia driver.. yesterday, I think it was... well, I know I've slept once since I installed it. I've had no problems at all. I'm not a gamer, so 3D performace hasn't been a big issue for me anyway. As a few others have commented, 2D performance has either remained unchanged or actually improved (placebo effect, perhaps )
Kernel = 2.4.20 vanilla w/ Win4Lin patches
WM = KDE 3.1_rc5
CPU = AMD Athlon XP 2100+
Video Card = TNT2 M64 |
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lx Veteran
Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 1012 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Gnome 2 |
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suka wrote: | Looks like this is a problem with gnome2, .... Maybe others can proof that. |
Well I'm using development version of gnome 2 and I don't have any problems (yet).....
Cya lX. _________________ "Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.", Frank Zappa |
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perry Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 142 Location: Cornfields of Indiana
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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I was messing around yesterday, playing with a development kernel and gentoo-sources. On both, performance seemed to degrade. Moving a window around in KDE seemed chopped w/ the new drivers. It's pretty smooth w/ the old ones.
I get terrible glxgears "scores". Mid-200's w/ the new drivers, mid 500's w/ the old. This is on a P3-700 w/ 512MB of RAM and a GF2 MX card. I suspect something in my setup is really screwed up to get numbers like that as I look around at other people's numbers. |
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MrJ412 n00b
Joined: 10 Apr 2002 Posts: 39 Location: Shawnee, KS
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 8:33 pm Post subject: RenderAccel == Bad (For me) |
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Just to add my experience:
PNY GForce2 MX 400
PII 350Mhz
Had to give the new drivers a go, and turned RenderAccel on in my config. This resulted in X completely locking up after about a minute. Turning it off has things running smoothly again, however as others have noticed, moving windows around is a bit choppy.
May go back to the last version... |
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yokem55 Guru
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 360 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I suspect something in my setup is really screwed up to get numbers like that as I look around at other people's numbers. |
Do you have AGP gart enabled in your kernel with support for your chipset, or are you using nVidia's AGP? |
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Pigeon Guru
Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 307
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I get terrible glxgears "scores". Mid-200's w/ the new drivers, mid 500's w/ the old. This is on a P3-700 w/ 512MB of RAM and a GF2 MX card. I suspect something in my setup is really screwed up to get numbers like that as I look around at other people's numbers. | Errr, yeah. Are you sure it's not using Mesa or something kooky for opengl? 500 is god-awful for a gf2 mx.
What does glxinfo give you? |
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perry Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 142 Location: Cornfields of Indiana
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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AGPGART in the kernel, VIA chipset. Stuff in /proc indicates the same. 2X AGP.
From glxinfo:
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OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce2 MX/AGP/SSE
OpenGL version string: 1.3.1 NVIDIA 31.23
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Looks fine to me.
edit: Did some looking around.. Looks like my motherboard supports AGP 4X. So does the video card... Hmm.. Time to do some snooping around. I'm running at 1600x1200 if that matters.. Dropping the resolution back down to 1280x1024 gets me in the high 800 range.. |
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jstuart n00b
Joined: 03 Dec 2002 Posts: 57
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:56 am Post subject: |
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It's working well here. No 2D slowdowns. ANd I think I've gained about 25 to 30 FPS in full screen mode.
Machine config:
Athlon XP 1600+
GeForce 2 MX 400
512 Mb Ram _________________ Jeff Stuart
JAHGU (Just another happy Gentoo User) |
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yokem55 Guru
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 360 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2002 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Okay, the 2d performance died on me. Not cool. A reboot seemed to fix it but only for a little while. I reverted to the 3123's.
Edit: Okay figured out my slowdown: my lm_sensors module was fubaring the system, back using the 4191's. |
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alshain Apprentice
Joined: 02 Aug 2002 Posts: 202 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2002 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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yokem55 wrote: | Okay, the 2d performance died on me. Not cool. A reboot seemed to fix it but only for a little while. I reverted to the 3123's.
Edit: Okay figured out my slowdown: my lm_sensors module was fubaring the system, back using the 4191's. |
Really?? I'm using lm_sensors too and been having problems with 2D. Maybe I'll try again later - but I'm not sure if I can live without knowing what my CPU temperature is!
Andrew |
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yokem55 Guru
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 360 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2002 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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The w83781d module wasn't configured right for the winbond derived ASUS chip on my motherboard. It was misreading the chip and was hammering the system with alarms. As I don't have my pc speaker hooked up, I didn't hear the alarms, and ps aux didn't show any runaway apps. So it took a little while to diagnose. What clued me on was that the 3123 drivers had the same thing and it seemed only be happening once I'd gotten the sensor modules loaded. |
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