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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Am I the only one here who 's actually /happy/ that they are disabled?
Large bloated sigs all come from satan and are the harbringers of Gehenna

While I agree with you on your sigs, it's not only that, but also the hotlinking of avatars and display of small images that do improve post quality.
*not-so sage nod*
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

airflow wrote:
aridhol wrote:
But to limit something like this (not really important) and not give any info seems kind of... uh.. silly to me. If there was any discussion that led to disabling them just post a link.

I call this behaviour "childish". But "silly" fits well, too.

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Why not announce that they disable a videly used feature?
To post just to call me silly seems... Not gonna sart flaming...

Small images in sigs is way better IMHO than large lists of your hardware that a lot uses for their sig.

My image in my sig was 150x16 pixels. If that was a problem I could have made it 16x16 instead.

And if it is a bandwidth issue: ???
If it is stored offsite Gentoo isn't affected.

The details would be released at a later time. I still havn't seen any and it's been almost a month.

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Am I the only one here who 's actually /happy/ that they are disabled?
Large bloated sigs all come from satan and are the harbringers of Gehenna *sage nod*


I agree about large sigs, wether it be text or image. Set a sizelimit then.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just had a jabber staus in my .sig, it was small and didn't get complains apart from when the server that does the service was down and the image didn't load.

jabber status is in the beta phpbb, well the button is but i don't know about status indicators.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm re-writing this a few times to tone it down a bit. However, I take exception to the..."users"...who called this behavior childish and/or silly. We did what we did for a very valid reason. We are not sharing the details right now for another equally valid reason.

We will share details if and when it becomes appropriate to do so. Until then, I simply ask you to trust that we are doing the right thing for the Gentoo community.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it the appropriate time, yet?

If so (and assuming I've just missed the official announcement) a link should be posted here because searching for an answer just gives me more dup threads about this subject that link to here...

(I happen to detest images in sigs, but am curious what the technical reason was for removing them)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's taken this long and it still isn't fixed, then it's either a bug in Microsoft Internet Explorer that is triggered by images in signatures specifically from domains *forums.gentoo.org* or it's a global conspiracy. Or it's a complete non-issue forming the basis for certain individuals' delusions of grandeur.

Other forums have images and I don't see them getting h4x0r3d much.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just trust that there is a good reason for not relaying information out- that's all you can do. The devs in charge of these types of things are very active and know what they're doing. You'll just have to have faith in them on this one.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squinky86 wrote:
Just trust that there is a good reason for not relaying information out- that's all you can do. The devs in charge of these types of things are very active and know what they're doing. You'll just have to have faith in them on this one.


No, I'd say this is the sort of thing that kills any faith that was there to begin with.

I hope this issue gets resolved soon, because it's absurd. So absurd, in fact, that I must restrain myself from further comment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope this issue gets resolved soon, because it's absurd. So absurd, in fact, that I must restrain myself from further comment.

agreed

last admin post was what...6 months ago?

I don't care about signatures, but I do occasionally want to put an image in a post.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squinky86 wrote:
Just trust that there is a good reason for not relaying information out


Perhaps upstream has refused to fix it? Or perhaps it got fixed and nobody can be bothered explaining (perhaps it's too complicated to explain easily) - in which case, why are images still denied?

Surely other forums using the same software are vulnerable then? Isn't it irresponsible for those Gentoo forum managers who are aware of this problem to keep it secret? Surely this info needs to get out so people can fix it! Sometimes it's good to keep exploits as secret as possible until a fix can be created and distributed, but 6 months??? Come on, something fishy is going on here... 8O
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it still too early for information to be made public? I really trust the admins and I believe that Gentoo Forums are the best of its kind. But I really don't understand why an issue like this can take that much time. I mean it started in 2003! :x
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As there is no need for inline images, it my sincere desire that they not be enabled again. URL tags are sufficient.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As there is no need for inline images, it my sincere desire that they not be enabled again. URL tags are sufficient.

I only want a Jabber Icon as phpBB does not support this yet (as it does for ICQ, Yahoo IM, etc.) I agree that pictures bigger than 60*60 pixels have no place on a forum.
But as I understand this we will never hear why this feature has been removed (that was the main question of about everyone involved in this thread) and we can't expect it to reappear?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPW wrote:
I agree that pictures bigger than 60*60 pixels have no place on a forum.
My link and reasoning for not wanting to see img links return has nothing to do with size.


SPW wrote:
But as I understand this we will never hear why this feature has been removed (that was the main question of about everyone involved in this thread) and we can't expect it to reappear?
klieber wrote:
We will share details if and when it becomes appropriate to do so. Until then, I simply ask you to trust that we are doing the right thing for the Gentoo community.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
As there is no need for inline images, it my sincere desire that they not be enabled again. URL tags are sufficient.


That may be so, but that is your personal opinion and it may be shared by others. However this technique is common amongst politicians - dodging the question by making a "I think..." statement.

So if URL tags are sufficient, why can't we have external avatar images?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That may be so, but that is your personal opinion and it may be shared by others. However this technique is common amongst politicians - dodging the question by making a "I think..." statement.
I wasn't dodging the question. I wasn't even addressing the orginal question. I simply commented on why I wished to never see the img tags enabled in the future. The intent was: "The problem is moot, as I will do what I can to not allow inline images to return. Here is why (see link)." 'Do what I can,' since it is not just my decision.


Which part of:
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trust that we are doing the right thing for the Gentoo community.
is troublesome/confusing/unreasonable?


EDIT: Contents previously posted, resulting in a locked thread:
pjp wrote:
And since people don't seem to get the idea...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Which part of:
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is troublesome/confusing/unreasonable?

The part where you don't give a very specific explanation as to why it is the right thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freeix wrote:
pjp wrote:
Which part of:
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trust that we are doing the right thing for the Gentoo community.
is troublesome/confusing/unreasonable?

The part where you don't give a very specific explanation as to why it is the right thing.

We made the decision that it is the right thing. I'm not prepared to go into details because that opens a whole 'nother can of worms.

If this was some core feature of the forums that was disabled, I could see a valid reason for complaining. As it is, it's a rather inconsequential inconvenience. As such, we have no plans to re-enable it any time soon.

Sorry if that isn't satisfactory.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
there is no need for inline images
So, there actually is a subject where pjp and I agree :-)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could the reason for all of this be because of the relatively recent vulnerability with .jpgs on windows machines?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I am wondering why. :? Why not remove the little box thing so we know not to do the image thing? I spent a good while trying to figure out why the stupid thing don't work. Murphys law applies to me a lot. I thought it was me. 8O :oops: That poor preview button got a licking. :roll:

Anyways.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:42 am    Post subject: *rant* Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
As there is no need for inline images, it my sincere desire that they not be enabled again. URL tags are sufficient.

They might be, it still sux though imho :evil:. Images are visual, and I for one like visual! Though I understand it could cause problems, I'd rather see this back.. But if not, atleast someone disable that stupid IMG button!?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care for or against inline images, probably tend against them. But my curiousity demands satisfaction hence my desire to understand why the images were disabled. Surely if the problem is resolved we can all be told what the issue is? Security by obscurity belongs elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if you saw what started this mess, I actually did a image search and found the thing, you would likely see why it was cut off. I'm no prude by any means but posting the image in question was a pretty bad idea.

This is one of those things where one person screwed it up for everyone, like a lot of other things in the world. I can't say that I blame them, admins. I just wish they had removed that thread, banned the person that posted it. If it happened again, then remove the image option. That said, I still understand why, just not happy about it either. Sort of feel I'm being punished for something I didn't do sort of thing.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, it's as simple as that? I thought it was related to some code exploit that they were keeping quiet rather than getting fixed... if it's a censorship/moderation issue, then surely dealing with the individual case is a better solution for everyone? People can still post URLs to unacceptable images, so the problem isn't going to simply go away.
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