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ambidekstri
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 Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:45 am Post subject: ati-drivers 3.14.1 / xorg 6.8.x |
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seems that ati has released new drivers. so has anyone yet tested those drivers with x.org 6.8?
do they have support for this new amazing x.org now? |
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speculos
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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They don't! I can't suffer ati no more. I give up. 
Nvidia, I'm coming! |
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c0balt
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Im having crashes even with Xfree 4.3.0
its getting worse every release ...
btw, seems the ATI guys merged the gentoo VMALLOC patch o_0 |
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vdboor
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| speculos wrote: | They don't! I can't suffer ati no more. I give up.
Nvidia, I'm coming! |
Well spoken...
I just try to save my money for a while, and if I really have to, I'll buy an NVidia card as well. More then a year has past, and nothing seams to improve..
In fact, I mention my problems with ATI to everyone trying Linux. Perhaps the recent big switch to Linux in Germany starts waking ATI up.. (afaik they choose NVIdia because of the drivers) ATI is seriously starting to loose customers if more cities will make the switch.
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Beforegod
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| has anyone tested the new drivers with xorg or just read the changelog?? |
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speculos
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Beforegod wrote: | | has anyone tested the new drivers with xorg or just read the changelog?? |
I tried them as I tried the 5 previous ati drivers releases. Those ones don't work with xorg 6.8.0 or 6.8.1. X restarts when you start an opengl program. |
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Beforegod
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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and without opengl?
Work the composite extension? |
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speculos
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Beforegod wrote: | and without opengl?
Work the composite extension? |
In fact, those drivers run like 3.12 with xorg 6.8.0. They suck.
If you want to try shadows, use xorg radeon drivers. It's not very smooth but you can take a screenshot to impress your friends. 
I didn't manage to make transparency working well.
Ps : Apologies for my poor english |
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deprave
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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if you use the drivers in the kernel I here it works with some slowdown Im just waiting for xorg 6.8 support before i upgrade to xorg 6.8, it will come within the next couple mounths :\
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diaconal
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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I just upgraded to the new drivers and it seems to be working with my mobile radeon 9000 (m9). I'm using xorg-x11-6.7.0-r2 though.
question: is there a big different between 6.8 and 6.7? |
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Mit
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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I wish ATI would stop pratting around with these 'bug fixes' that don't seem to do anything really other than add support for 1 or 2 new cards, and get us a driver that works with x.org 6.8
as for differences, fixes a load of issues and is a major graphical improvement (fluff wise) with shadows (composite) and transparency (damage)
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diaconal
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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damn, its not possible to add just the 'fluff' to 6.7?  |
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Mit
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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nope, 6.8 is the fluffy 6.7 and also the one the ATI drivers don't work with... come on, wheres these new improved drivers ati? 
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vdboor
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| diaconal wrote: | | question: is there a big different between 6.8 and 6.7? |
not really.. perhaps some issues are fixed you had problems with, but the composite extension isn't really useful to far. as said above, you can take screenshots to impress your friends..  it looks really cute, but it "isn't ready" yet.
afaik, this is exactly what the changelog also stated. this release is however very useful for kde/gnome developers, they can adjust their apps already for the composite extension.
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Freejack00
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Funny thing is 3.12 runs well with xorg 6.7. I tried ati 3.14 and my frames ratesd dropped from 7-8 thousand to 7 hundred. It's almost like they are intentionally sabotaging the drivers. Only problem is my laptop can't switch video cards or I would have done it by now. I am not going back to windows over a video driver I'll just by the competitors hardware that works well. I wish someone would do a non bias census and find out what the truth is about the numbers of users using linux. Then a number of them that are gamers. I bet you they would be surprised. |
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iplayfast
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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I've gotten the ati-drivers 3.14.1 to work with xorg 6.7, but anything that pushes the graphics at all (Ogre demos) fails. With the older drivers it doesn't.
sigh, I remember the good old days when we had source code for our video cards..... course those cards were mainly text... |
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racoontje
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Any way how I can check the EXACT name of previous versions? (ie working ones) |
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mahir
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:50 pm Post subject: lol |
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LOL@MAINLY TEXT
lol
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NiK[IT]
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Is there a way to install the new drivers without using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS? In this way i have to use 31 unstable updates.
Tnx  |
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hyp0r
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| How's nvidia running with xorg? I cannot imagine, that ati is so incompetent or unwilling to support it. My xorg even crashes with the xorg-radeon drivers, having dri loaded. I'd have expected it to not run at all. But instead xorg crashes, too. I think I will revert back to xorg 6.7, as the transparency-stuff doesn't work right anyway. xorg 6.8 is somewhat bad and fortunately there's a scapegoat called "ATI". |
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Mit
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| NiK[IT] wrote: | Is there a way to install the new drivers without using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS? In this way i have to use 31 unstable updates.
Tnx |
edit (might need to create) /etc/portage/package.keywords and add a line like
media-video/ati-drivers ~x86
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Arrta
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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You could try to emerge with the no dependancies option..
Oh and I just got a reply after many days of getting the run around..
| Quote: | Dear my name,
Thank you for contacting ATI Customer Care Canada.
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Your email has been assigned: TicketGUID:
Please include the above identifier in all future correspondence relating to this ticket. Note: The TicketGUID identifier must appear in the message body, not in the subject line.
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Regarding drivers for XOrg:
Currently there are no announced plans for drivers in this version of X.
Regards,
Rick Carman
Customer Care
ATI Technologies, Inc.
http://www.ati.com |
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Mit
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Arrta wrote: | You could try to emerge with the no dependancies option..
Oh and I just got a reply after many days of getting the run around..
| Quote: | Dear my name,
Thank you for contacting ATI Customer Care Canada.
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Your email has been assigned: TicketGUID:
Please include the above identifier in all future correspondence relating to this ticket. Note: The TicketGUID identifier must appear in the message body, not in the subject line.
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Regarding drivers for XOrg:
Currently there are no announced plans for drivers in this version of X.
Regards,
Rick Carman
Customer Care
ATI Technologies, Inc.
http://www.ati.com |
Who do we kill? |
heh, if that is true... someone at ATi will regret saying that sooner or later.  (esp as most users are now on xorg) This whole ATi hassle is more than its worth, makes me wish i'd got an nVidia card. I don't have a problem with ATi in Windows, Linux however... well, where do i start. I chose ATi at the time cos of Windows, that i hardly use anymore. Ah well, looks like i'm stuck with ATi for a few yrs now. Lets only hope that the person that replied there was wrong and ATI are actually going to do an xorg driver, and a good one at that.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm considering installing my geforce4 ti 500 again.. replaced it at the end of last year when I was still using windows on my primary computer. |
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psofa
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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about hows nvidia with xorg:
I switched to nvidia 1 week or so ago.The speed even with transparencies is amazing.As far as opengl is concerned i get some crashes when games try to open but im not sure its not my fault.
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