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Xe Apprentice
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject: Cedega + HL2 |
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Hi!
Ich habe nun auch seit einigen Tagen Cedega 4.2 und möchte damit Half Life 2 Spielen. Das Spiel an sich läuft auch, allerdings ist nur sehr selten Sound zu hören (die meiste Zeit sind die Lautsprecher Kopfhöhrer einfach stumm), Die Schrift weist ziemlich starke Grafkfehler auf und das Spiel hängt sich auf, wenn ich die Auflösung, Grafikdetails oder Soundeinstellungen ändern. Dazu ist noch zu bemerken, dass die neue Auflösung zwar übernommen wird, nachdem sich das Spiel aufgehängt hat, alle anderen Einstellungen aber nicht.
Ich habe eine GF4 MX 440, eine Creative Labs Soundplaster (wobei ich kaum glaube, dass es an ihr liegt, dass der Ton nicht geht, da er bei der Wiedergabe von Audiodateien und beim Spielen anderer Titel mit Cedega funktioniert... Außerdem kann ich ja doch nicht genau sagen welches Model... ist aber schon älter und läuft mit dem Treiber für i64 und i128) und ein System mit nitro-sources 2.9-nitro4.
Hier noch meine Cedega-Config:
Quote: | WINE REGISTRY Version 2
;; All keys relative to \\Machine\\Software\\Wine\\Wine\\Config
;;
;; MS-DOS drives configuration
;;
;; Each section has the following format:
;; [Drive X]
;; "Path"="xxx" (Unix path for drive root)
;; "Type"="xxx" (supported types are 'floppy', 'hd', 'cdrom' and 'network')
;; "Label"="xxx" (drive label, at most 11 characters)
;; "Serial"="xxx" (serial number, 8 characters hexadecimal number)
;; "Filesystem"="xxx" (supported types are 'msdos'/'dos'/'fat', 'win95'/'vfat', 'unix')
;; This is the FS Wine is supposed to emulate on a certain
;; directory structure.
;; Recommended:
;; - "win95" for ext2fs, VFAT and FAT32
;; - "msdos" for FAT16 (ugly, upgrading to VFAT driver strongly recommended)
;; DON'T use "unix" unless you intend to port programs using Winelib !
;; "Device"="/dev/xx" (only if you want to allow raw device access)
;;
[Drive C]
"Path" = "/root/.transgaming/c_drive"
"Type" = "hd"
"Label" = "Dos Drive"
"Filesystem" = "win95"
[Drive D]
"Path" = "${HOME}"
"Type" = "hd"
"Label" = "My Home"
"Filesystem" = "win95"
[Drive E]
"Path" = "/tmp"
"Type" = "hd"
"Label" = "tmp"
"Filesystem" = "win95"
[Drive G]
"Path" = "/"
"Type" = "hd"
"Label" = "root"
"Filesystem" = "win95"
[wine]
"Windows" = "c:\\windows"
"System" = "c:\\windows\\system32\\"
"Temp" = "e:\\"
"Path" = "c:\\windows\\;c:\\windows\\system32\\"
"GraphicsDriver" = "x11drv"
; Wine doesn't pass directory symlinks to Windows programs by default.
; Enabling this may crash some programs that do recursive lookups of a whole
; subdir tree in case of a symlink pointing back to itself.
;
; Note: The WINESHELLLINK Environment variable will override this setting.
; (which is set in the winex startup script)
;"ShowDirSymlinks" = "1"
"ShellLinker" = "/usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/winex/bin/wineshelllink"
;
; Browser to be used by winebrowserlink.
; Note: The WINEBROWSER Environment variable will override this setting.
;"Browser" = "/usr/bin/konqueror"
;
; Use the mozilla control as the IE control where available
;"MozillaControl" = "Y"
# <wineconf>
[DllDefaults]
"DefaultLoadOrder" = "native, builtin, so"
[DllOverrides]
"commdlg" = "builtin, native"
"comdlg32" = "builtin, native"
"oleaut32" = "builtin, native"
"ver" = "builtin, native"
"version" = "builtin, native"
"shell" = "builtin, native"
"shell32" = "builtin, native"
"shfolder" = "builtin, native"
"shlwapi" = "builtin, native"
"lzexpand" = "builtin, native"
"lz32" = "builtin, native"
"comctl32" = "builtin, native"
"commctrl" = "builtin, native"
"advapi32" = "builtin, native"
"crtdll" = "builtin, native"
"mpr" = "builtin, native"
"winspool.drv" = "builtin, native"
"d3d8" = "builtin, native"
"d3drm" = "builtin, native"
"ddraw" = "builtin, native"
"dinput" = "builtin, native"
"dinput8" = "builtin, native"
"dmusic" = "builtin, native"
"dsound" = "builtin, native"
"opengl32" = "builtin, native"
"msvcrt" = "native, builtin"
"rpcrt4" = "native, builtin"
"msvideo" = "builtin, native"
"msvfw32" = "builtin, native"
"mcicda.drv" = "builtin, native"
"mciseq.drv" = "builtin, native"
"mciwave.drv" = "builtin, native"
"mciavi.drv" = "native, builtin"
"mcianim.drv" = "native, builtin"
"msacm.drv" = "builtin, native"
"msacm" = "builtin, native"
"msacm32" = "builtin, native"
"midimap.drv" = "builtin, native"
"wininet" = "builtin, native"
[Version]
; Windows version to imitate. Valid versions are: 'win20', 'win30', 'win31', 'win95', 'win98', 'winme', 'nt351', 'nt40', 'win2000', 'winxp'
"Windows" = "winxp"
; DOS version to imitate
;"DOS" = "6.22"
[x11drv]
; Number of colors to allocate from the system palette
"AllocSystemColors" = "100"
; Number of colors to copy from the default palette
"CopyDefaultColors" = "0"
; Use a private color map
"PrivateColorMap" = "N"
; Favor correctness over speed in some graphics operations
"PerfectGraphics" = "N"
; Color depth to use on multi-depth screens
;;"ScreenDepth" = "16"
; Name of X11 display to use
;;"Display" = ":0.0"
; Allow the window manager to manage created windows
"Managed" = "Y"
; Use a desktop window of the given size
;"Desktop" = "800x600"
; Use XFree86 DGA extension if present
; (make sure /dev/mem is accessible by you !)
"UseDGA" = "N"
; Use XShm extension if present
"UseXShm" = "Y"
; Enable DirectX mouse grab
"DXGrab" = "Y"
; Use XVidMode extension if present
"UseXVidMode" = "Y"
; Use XRandR extension if present
"UseXRandR" = "N"
; Create the desktop window with a double-buffered visual
; (useful to play OpenGL games)
"DesktopDoubleBuffered" = "Y"
; Code page used for captions in managed mode
; 0 means default ANSI code page (CP_ACP == 0)
"TextCP" = "0"
; Use this if you have more than one port for video on your setup
; (Wine uses for now the first 'input image' it finds).
;; "XVideoPort" = "43"
; Use this to make your X server execute all commands
; sequentially rather than buffering commands. Will make
; everything really SLOW but can be nice for debugging.
;; "Synchronous" = "Y"
; Enable the FPS count on the TransGaming HUD (also activates the HUD)
;; "ShowFPS" = "Y"
; Enable memory statistics on the TransGaming HUD (must have ShowFPS activated)
;; "ShowMem" = "Y"
; How much Video RAM does your card have?
"VideoRam" = "128"
; How much AGP memory should be used for vertex data (about 1/2 your AGP aperature size)
"AGPVertexRam" = "64"
; Use NV_VAR (enabled by default)
;;"NV_VAR" = "Y"
; Use ARB_VBO (enabled by default, NV_VAR takes precendence)
;;"ARB_VBO" = "Y"
[d3dgl]
"AnisotropicTextureFiltering" = "N"
"VertexShaders" = "Y"
; type of vertex shaders to use (Hardware/Software/Auto)
; hardware will use whatever the opengl drivers make available
; software will use winex software emulation (will be slow!)
; (has not been implemented yet!)
;; "VertexShaderMode" = "Auto"
"PixelShaders" = "Y"
; Which version of pixel shaders to attempt to use, if available
"PixelShadersLevel" = "2.0"
"ClipSpaceFix" = "Y"
; enable software vertex blend weight support (Yes/No/Auto)
; provide software blending fallback if hardware support not available
; (has not been implemented yet!)
;; "SoftwareVertexBlending" = "Auto"
; (dev-only) Maximum number of texture stages that WineX should attempt to use (1-
;; "MaxTextureStages" = "8"
; (dev-only) Identify polygons under the mouse cursor
;; "InterceptMode" = "N"
; (dev-only) apply fragment translation in vertex program (Yes/No/Auto)
;;"FragmentOffset" = "Auto"
; use the fixed function over vertex shader pipeline (Yes/No/Auto)
;;"FixedProgram" = "Auto"
; (dev-only) Provide non power of two texture support using rectangle textures (Yes/No/Auto)
;;"RectangleTextures" = "Auto"
[opengl]
; Report a truncated list of OpenGL extensions to the application
;;"FixedGLExtensionBuffer" = "N"
; list of additions (+) or deletions (-) to the list of extensions
; reported when FixedGLExtensionBuffer is enabled. Note that extensions
; cannot be enabled if they are not supported by your video card/drivers
;;"GLExtensionBuffer" = "+GL_ARB_imaging,-GL_ARB_depth_texture"
[dinput]
; dead zone for joystick input from 0 to 10000. 1000 is 10% of range.
"DefaultDeadZone" = "1000"
[joystick]
;; Configuration of the function of joystick axes
;; The joystick name and axis functions can be determined with jstest.
;; The available axis types are:
;; "none", "X", "Y", "Z", "RX", "RY", "RZ",
;; "slider", "hat", "POV", and "ball"
;; "hat" and "POV" are synonymous. Hats use two axes.
"Logitech Inc. WingMan RumblePad" = "X,Y,slider,Z,RZ,hat,none"
[fonts]
;Read documentation/fonts before adding aliases
"Resolution" = "96"
"Default" = "-adobe-times-"
; Use new improved fonts (uses FreeType and XRender libraries) at user request.
; Defaults to "Y".
;"FreeType" = "N"
[FontPatterns]
"Pattern0" = "-adobe-times*"
"Pattern1" = "-adobe-helvetica*"
"Pattern2" = "-adobe-courier*"
"Pattern3" = "-misc-fixed*"
[FontDirs]
;"0"="/path/to/extra/fonts"
[FontAlias]
;; Add font aliases here. On the left put the name of the windows font family
;; that you want to fake, on the right put the a similar font family that you
;; have installed. These will override the fontconfig and the WineX builtin fallbacks,
;; but may look better (if you choose them correctly).
;; Alias' may refer to other alias' that have been defined above them.
;; These alias' are the first that WineX loads.
;;
;; Serif Fonts
;"Times New Roman"="Times"
"MS Serif"="Times New Roman"
;;
;; Sans Serif Fonts
;"Arial"="Helvetica"
"Helv"="Arial"
"MS Sans Serif"="Arial"
"System"="Arial"
"Tahoma"="Arial"
;;
;; Mono Space Fonts
;"Courier New"="Courier"
;"FixedSys"="Courier"
[memory]
;; Attempt to make memory allocation more windows like.
;; Not for use with all applications. Best used in app default section.
; "MemoryLayoutOverride" = "0x10000000"
[serialports]
"Com1" = "/dev/ttyS0"
"Com2" = "/dev/ttyS1"
"Com3" = "/dev/ttyS2"
"Com4" = "/dev/modem"
[parallelports]
"Lpt1" = "/dev/lp0"
[spooler]
"LPT1:" = "|lpr"
"LPT2:" = "|gs -sDEVICE=bj200 -sOutputFile=/tmp/fred -q -"
"LPT3:" = "/dev/lp3"
[ports]
;"read" = "0x779,0x379,0x280-0x2a0"
; "write" = "0x779,0x379,0x280-0x2a0"
[spy]
"Exclude" = "WM_SIZE;WM_TIMER;"
[registry]
;These are all booleans. Y/y/T/t/1 are true, N/n/F/f/0 are false.
;Defaults are read all, write to Home
; Global registries (stored in /etc)
"LoadGlobalRegistryFiles" = "n"
; Home registries (stored in ~user/.wine/)
"LoadHomeRegistryFiles" = "Y"
; Load Windows registries from the Windows directory
"LoadWindowsRegistryFiles" = "n"
; TRY to write all changes to home registries
"WritetoHomeRegistryFiles" = "Y"
; Registry periodic save timeout in seconds
; "PeriodicSave" = "600"
; Save only modified keys
"SaveOnlyUpdatedKeys" = "Y"
[Tweak.Layout]
;; supported styles are 'Win31'(default), 'Win95', 'Win98'
"WineLook" = "Win98"
[Console]
"Drivers" = "xterm"
;"Drivers" = "tty"
"XtermProg" = "konsole"
;"InitialRows" = "25"
;"InitialColumns" = "80"
;"TerminalType" = "nxterm"
[Clipboard]
"ClearAllSelections" = "0"
"PersistentSelection" = "1"
; List of all directories directly contain .AFM files
[afmdirs]
;"1" = "/usr/share/ghostscript/fonts"
;"2" = "/usr/share/a2ps/afm"
;"3" = "/usr/share/enscript"
;"4" = "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
[Wineserver]
"SHMWineserver" = "Y"
[WinMM]
"Drivers" = "wineoss.drv"
"WaveMapper" = "msacm.drv"
"MidiMapper" = "midimap.drv"
[wineoss]
"UseMMap" = "N"
"FullDuplex" = "N"
;; Specify a mapping for what digital audio devices to use
;"dsp0" = "/dev/dsp0"
;"mixer0" = "/dev/mixer0"
[winealsa]
"UseMMap" = "Y"
;"pcm0" = "hw"
;"ctl0" = "hw"
;; App default settings
;; Battle Field 1942 settings
[AppDefaults\\bf1942.exe\\d3dgl]
"ClipSpaceFix" = "N"
;; Medal Of Honor settings
[AppDefaults\\mohaa.exe\\memory]
"MemoryLayoutOverride" = "0x10000000"
[AppDefaults\\mohaa.exe\\opengl]
"FixedGLExtensionBuffer" = "Y"
[AppDefaults\\mohaademo.exe\\memory]
"MemoryLayoutOverride" = "0x10000000"
[AppDefaults\\mohaademo.exe\\opengl]
"FixedGLExtensionBuffer" = "Y"
[AppDefaults\\moh_spearhead.exe\\memory]
"MemoryLayoutOverride" = "0x10000000"
[AppDefaults\\moh_spearhead.exe\\opengl]
"FixedGLExtensionBuffer" = "Y"
[AppDefaults\\moh_spearhead.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
[AppDefaults\\moh_spearhead_demo.exe\\memory]
"MemoryLayoutOverride" = "0x10000000"
[AppDefaults\\moh_spearhead_demo.exe\\opengl]
"FixedGLExtensionBuffer" = "Y"
[AppDefaults\\moh_breakthrough.exe\\opengl]
"FixedGLExtensionBuffer" = "Y"
[AppDefaults\\moh_breakthrough.exe\\version]
"windows" = "win2k"
;; SimCity 4 settings
[AppDefaults\\SimCity 4.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
[AppDefaults\\SimCity 4.exe\\transgaming]
"cmdlineadd" = "-d:software"
;; Civ 3
[AppDefaults\\Civilization3.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
[AppDefaults\\Civilization3x.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
[AppDefaults\\civ3conquests.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
;; Call of Duty
[AppDefaults\\CoDSP.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
[AppDefaults\\CoDMP.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
;; City of Heros
[AppDefaults\\CityOfHeroes.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
[AppDefaults\\CityOfHeroes.exe\\cursor]
"CursorAlphaAlwaysOn" = "Y"
[AppDefaults\\CohUpdater.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
[AppDefaults\\CohUpdater.exe\\cursor]
"CursorAlphaAlwaysOn" = "Y"
;; Command & Conquer: Generals
[AppDefaults\\Generals.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
;; Painkiller
[AppDefaults\\Painkiller.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
;; EverQuest
[AppDefaults\\eqgame.exe\\d3dgl]
"ClipSpaceFix" = "N"
"ForceMaxVertexBlendMatrices" = "2"
[AppDefaults\\testeqgame.exe\\d3dgl]
"ClipSpaceFix" = "N"
"ForceMaxVertexBlendMatrices" = "2"
;; Half-life 2
[AppDefaults\\hl2.exe\\d3dgl]
"ForceMaxVertexBlendMatrices" = "2"
;; Need for Speed Underground
[AppDefaults\\Speed.exe\\d3dgl]
"PixelShaders" = "N"
;; Max Payne 2
[AppDefaults\\MaxPayne2.exe\\d3dgl]
"PixelShaders" = "N"
;; Doom 3
[AppDefaults\\Doom3.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
;; Far Cry
[AppDefaults\\FarCry.exe\\Version]
"Windows" = "win2k"
[AppDefaults\\FarCry.exe\\d3dgl]
"PretendGeforceTwoForFixedFunction" = "Y"
# </wineconf>
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Ach ja, zu dem Sound hätte ich da noch etwas zu sagen: Ich habe hier auch noch eine Terratec DMX - Karte mit ESS Canyon3D (ES1970M-3D) Chipsatz, den ich ja auch verwenden würde, allerdings gibt es im Kernel keine funktionierenden Treiber .
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Xe Apprentice
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Hi!
Also die Terratec DMX Soundkarte habe ich jetzt zum laufen gebracht... wie? -Ich weiß es ehrlich gesagt nicht! Dachte mir, ich könne es ja nochmal versuchen und schon lief sie.... Mit dieser Karte habe ich aber immernoch meine Soundprobleme.
EDIT: Ok, ich hab jetzt auch meine Config geändert... habe erst jetzt bemerkt, was da für ein Müll eingestellt war (Hat nichts zu meiner HW gepasst...) Das Spiel hängt sich nun nichtmehr auf. Bleibt also das Soundproblem und das Mit den Grafkfehlern in den Schriftzügen.
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sputnik1969 Guru
Joined: 08 Aug 2002 Posts: 401 Location: Berlin / Germany
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Da meines Wissens auch unter Windows in einigen Konfigurationen Soundprobleme auftreten würde ich es nicht wirklich als Problem "deines Rechners" oder "deiner Konfiguration" sehen sondern als Problem von Valve das sie nicht in den Griff bekommen haben _________________ 'Cynic' is a word invented by optimists to criticize realists. - Nigel. In the ocean of Night by Gregory Benford
"Zyniker" ist ein Wort das Optimisten erfunden haben um Realisten zu kritisieren. - Nigel. Im Meer der Nacht von Gregory Benford |
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Xe Apprentice
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Ok, Danke für die Antwort. Das ist aber wirklich schade... naja, wohl nur noch eine Frage der Zeit, bis eine neue Version kommt, in der das Problem behoben ist.
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kriz Apprentice
Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 231
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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[WinMM]
"Drivers" = "wineoss.drv"
"WaveMapper" = "msacm.drv"
"MidiMapper" = "midimap.drv"
[wineoss]
"UseMMap" = "N"
"FullDuplex" = "N"
;; Specify a mapping for what digital audio devices to use
;"dsp0" = "/dev/dsp0"
;"mixer0" = "/dev/mixer0"
[winealsa]
"UseMMap" = "Y"
;"pcm0" = "hw"
;"ctl0" = "hw"
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Am besten du verwendest statt oss mal alsa.
Das sieht dann so aus:
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[WinMM]
"Drivers" = "winealsa.drv"
"WaveMapper" = "msacm.drv"
"MidiMapper" = "midimap.drv"
[wineoss]
"UseMMap" = "N"
"FullDuplex" = "N"
;; Specify a mapping for what digital audio devices to use
;"dsp0" = "/dev/dsp0"
;"mixer0" = "/dev/mixer0"
[winealsa]
"UseMMap" = "Y"
"pcm0" = "hw"
"ctl0" = "hw"
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logon Apprentice
Joined: 22 May 2002 Posts: 182 Location: Bonn / NRW Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Die Sache mit den Schriften behebt man ganz einfach indem man die Windows Schriften in den cedega Fonts Ordner kopiert. Dann ist das Problem gelöst. Die Sound Aussetzer habe ich auch. Werd das mit dem alsa jetzt mal probieren. |
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Xe Apprentice
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Hi!
Echt Super! Mit ALSA klappts bei mir
Und das mit den Schriften werde ich demnächst mal machen. Dann läuft das Spiel wirklich wie unter Windows!
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Throx n00b
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 25
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:09 am Post subject: |
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nur so nebenbei, zwing HL2 den DirectX7 Pfad zu nehmen, soll wesentlich schneller sein (hab ich irgendwo bei den Kommetaren von www.linux-gamers.net gelesen) |
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Xe Apprentice
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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HI
Schade, sound geht immernoch nicht. Das war ein irrtum von mir. Ich war nur im Hauptmenü, um das ganze mit ALSA zu testen. Dort ging der Sound ganz gut.
Im Spiel siehts aber anders aus.
@ Throx:
Wie genau meinst du das? Meinst du damit, dass nur DX7-Funktionen verwendet werden sollen ? -Ich habe sowieso nur eine GF4 MX. Die unterstützt kein DX8. Sobald ich aber meine neue GF GT6600 habe, will ich auch Fragmen Shader verwenden (bzw. Pxiel Shader... is ja praktisch die selbe Tchnologie) -> Also werde ich DX9 einschalten
EDIT:
@ logon:
Windows-Schriften? -Blöde frage, aber woher bekomme ich die? Wenn du die meinst, die bei Windows bei sind, habe ich ein kleines Problem, weil ich kein windows habe...
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zielscheibe l33t
Joined: 02 Apr 2004 Posts: 804 Location: Aachen
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Zu den Fonts:
Im "Point2Play" Menu, "Versions" Reiter -->"Download Microsoft Corefons", lädt sich Cedega die benötigten Schriftarten automatisch. :=) |
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Xe Apprentice
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hi!
Oh, danke! Ist mir noch garnicht aufgefallen. ^^
Installiere die Corefonts gerade.
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logon Apprentice
Joined: 22 May 2002 Posts: 182 Location: Bonn / NRW Germany
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Bei mir funkt alsa nicht, kommt irgendne komishce Fehlermeldung ohne Text wenn ich cedega starte. Kann sein das es daran liegt das er die libs nicht laden kann weil ich nen 64bit System hab, kann das einer bestätigen? |
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Xe Apprentice
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hi!
Also ich habe zwar keine 64-Bit CPU (nur einen Athlon-XP -> 32Bit), aber ich bin mir sicher, dass es daran nicht liegt. Jedenfalls der Logik nach ...
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logon Apprentice
Joined: 22 May 2002 Posts: 182 Location: Bonn / NRW Germany
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Tja meine Login sagt mir dies ja auch. Hätte nur noch gerne einen weiteren Erfahrungsbericht gehabt, aber wenn deine Logik das selbe sagt, werden unseren Logiken wohl Recht haben. (Logiken heisst das so?) |
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