View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
WladyX Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 503 Location: Romania
|
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hey i use r4 for a few months on my / (which includes /home), so far no big problems. I'm very happy with it. _________________ We are not alone. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
rush_ad l33t
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 863 Location: New Jersey, USA
|
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
thanks, i will give it a try. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
0n0w1c Apprentice
Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 273
|
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I have had little long term luck with R4. While I can successfully install it, I lose the fs eventually... as in lose it all. I get i/o errors when attempting to write and when I do a ls on thr fs, I see nothing on the partition even though a chkfs says the fs is okay. I suspect it has something to do with my mirrored scsi drives (software mirroring) and SMP.
I have recently upgraded to a hardware raid controller using 1+0 and I might try it again. I will pass along any info of my experiences. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jannis Guru
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Posts: 340 Location: Germany / Bavaria / Aschaffenburg
|
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: | I'm using Reiser4 for /usr/portage, too. So I need just 120MB for all the current ebuilds. (You'll need much more with other fs.) I also think about putting /var/tmp on an Reiser4 partition, too, but I have no clue how much disc place I'll need. So if anyone can tell me some numbers, I'll be happy Smile |
Depends on what you build. OpenOffice.org can need more than 2 GB to compile.
Quote: | I have had little long term luck with R4. While I can successfully install it, I lose the fs eventually... as in lose it all. I get i/o errors when attempting to write and when I do a ls on thr fs, I see nothing on the partition even though a chkfs says the fs is okay. I suspect it has something to do with my mirrored scsi drives (software mirroring) and SMP. |
Either it is the mirroring or something is bloody wrong with your hard drives. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
WladyX Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 503 Location: Romania
|
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
jannis wrote: | Either it is the mirroring or something is bloody wrong with your hard drives. |
Or maybe a badly patched kernel. _________________ We are not alone. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
rush_ad l33t
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 863 Location: New Jersey, USA
|
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
i'd like to try out reiser4 but only problem is that no other distro will be able to read reiser4. such as suse, it will need the reiser4 support. so i am still debating |
|
Back to top |
|
|
codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
|
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
rush_ad wrote: | i'd like to try out reiser4 but only problem is that no other distro will be able to read reiser4. such as suse, it will need the reiser4 support. so i am still debating | You _do_ know you're not required to use vendor kernels, right? *shrug* _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF |
|
Back to top |
|
|
WladyX Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 503 Location: Romania
|
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
rush_ad wrote: | i'd like to try out reiser4 but only problem is that no other distro will be able to read reiser4. such as suse, it will need the reiser4 support. so i am still debating |
It's no a matter of distros. it's a matter of patching the kernel, besides gentoo i also have a slack on reiser4 _________________ We are not alone. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
MasterX Veteran
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 1165
|
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
So, reiser4 is not supported? You have to patch the kernel? Is there a patch for the vanilla version of the kernel? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
WladyX Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 503 Location: Romania
|
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
MasterX wrote: | So, reiser4 is not supported? You have to patch the kernel? Is there a patch for the vanilla version of the kernel? |
Yes, i usualy use gentoo-dev-sources and i patch them with the reiser4 patch, but for 2.6.11 there isn't an official patch for the vanilla yet. _________________ We are not alone. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Morbo n00b
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 19
|
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I've had pretty bad luck with ReiserFS file systems but, to its credit, I've always been able to recover through the reiserfs tools. It's also hard to tell exactly what to blame, flakey IDE controllers, power failures, lockups, etc are more to blame than Reiser in most cases I suspect. I think all the modern file systems are pretty good as long as you have a stable system and a UPS. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Deranger Veteran
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1215
|
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
I used it 3 months, but then I returned to ext3. I can only see difference between ext3 and Reiser4 when syncing Portage tree or diffing kernel trees. Maybe I'll switch back someday...
Reiser4 is pretty stable on x86. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
|
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
Oktane wrote: | Reiser4 is pretty stable on x86. | ...And that's about it. Try it on any other arch and it's horribly broken; or so I've read... _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF |
|
Back to top |
|
|
drakos7 Apprentice
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 294 Location: Rockville, MD, USA, Earth, Sol
|
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:27 am Post subject: |
|
|
Been running reiser4 here on my laptop for 4+ months without a single hiccup. I am one of the daring ones who put it on / (with ext2 on /boot)
Works great. Yes, ~x86 install.
YMMV (your milage may vary)
BNI (batteries not included) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Deranger Veteran
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1215
|
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
drakos7 wrote: | I am one of the daring ones who put it on / |
I had almost 1 TB worth of data on Reiser4, including / |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Jake Veteran
Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Posts: 1132
|
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
codergeek42 wrote: | Oktane wrote: | Reiser4 is pretty stable on x86. | ...And that's about it. Try it on any other arch and it's horribly broken; or so I've read... |
It might work on AMD64 now. I've had a few lockups, but I seem to be the only one having problems and things were a little flaky before I switched to reiser4. Obviously I keep full backups.
EDIT: I'm quite confident with reiser4 on AMD64 now. I have nearly a month of uptime, so my lockup issue has been resolved. Also, I know PPC doesn't work at all (won't mount) and Namesys considers getting into vanilla a priority over fixing the bug.
Last edited by Jake on Wed May 11, 2005 5:46 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
holst n00b
Joined: 07 May 2003 Posts: 12
|
Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
lol. I was reading this thread and just stumble over a funny quote
codergeek42 wrote: | Careful though...Reiser4 is in no way supported by the Gentoo dev team, so if something breaks you're on your own.... |
remeber this kids: you're always on your own if you're not willing to pay hard cash to somebody to fix your mess. and that goes for any possible mess made by others on your turf too. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Sparohok n00b
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 13
|
Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Speaking of funny quotes:
Morbo wrote: | I think all the modern file systems are pretty good as long as you have a stable system and a UPS. |
Most antique filesystems are pretty good too, as long as you have a stable system and a UPS.
Fault tolerance is the raison d'etre for modern journalling filesystems.
Martin |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Pink Veteran
Joined: 24 Jul 2003 Posts: 1062
|
Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
rush_ad wrote: | i'd like to try out reiser4 but only problem is that no other distro will be able to read reiser4. such as suse, it will need the reiser4 support. so i am still debating |
Just to let you know that Suse 9.3 does support reiser4. I have it working right now with a spare r4 partition. I do not recommend r4 as I think it is still unstable and very unreliable (having lost a lot of data in the past I am very wary of it), but there are more and more distros supporting it.
May help in a decision. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
rjreb n00b
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 40
|
Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Just my own experience... I took a chance and put reiserfs4 on a production qmail server on the /var/vpopmail/domains and /var/spool/qmailscan directories over a year ago. Not one single problem. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Phlogiston Veteran
Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 1925 Location: Europe, Swizerland
|
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I know that this thread is old, but has there changed a lot during this time about reiser4 stableness? I consider using it on my new amd64 notebook? What do you think? _________________ Workstation: 5.1 SurroundSound, LIRC remote control; Laptop [IBM-T43]: patched sources, s2disk/ram, fingerprint sensor |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vipernicus Veteran
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 1462 Location: Your College IT Dept.
|
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Phlogiston. wrote: | I know that this thread is old, but has there changed a lot during this time about reiser4 stableness? I consider using it on my new amd64 notebook? What do you think? |
If I were you, I'd setup ext3 /w dir_index and full_journal options. Awesome latency, and gives more memory and processor to your applications. Do a Quick Search: on the forums on Ext3 Filesystem Tips by codergeek42. Fast and Reliable, and can be accessed from Windows XP unlike Reiser4 or Reiser3.6 _________________ Viper-Sources Maintainer || nesl247 Projects || vipernicus.org blog |
|
Back to top |
|
|
crazycat l33t
Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 838 Location: Hamburg, Germany
|
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well i used reiser4 for a while now and i kind of reverted to reiser3 for root filesystem cause its a pain in the ass to patch each time u upgrade a kernel and grub doesn't support it (i dont use boot partition , only backup kernels on different filesystems and a backup cd). I also didn't like the heavy cpu usage while copyng large files but for example ut2k4 loading times were shorter with reiser4, but it kind of degrades responsitiveness while using so much cpu. I now use reiser3 for root cause of great performance with lots of small files and sane cpu usage and ext3 for ~200gb /home mainly because i can mount it in windows on demand if i need some space. I also found a pair of interesting links about this:
http://www.willsmith.org/opensource/reiser4/fragperf/
and
http://navindra.blogspot.com/2004/10/kde-dot-news-ext3s-miserable-failure.html
I dont really know what to think about this all filesystem mess , i think ext3 is more of a hack build on top of top of ext2 with other hacks added later like dir_index , which grows big and slow and inefficent, like windows (you know the story , lots of layers == lots of speed issues ) where reiser was more some new experiment, whether it succeded or not is another question. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|