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numerodix l33t
Joined: 18 Jul 2002 Posts: 743 Location: nl.eu
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:39 am Post subject: |
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1. portage
2. community forums
or was it the other way around.. *scratches head* _________________ undvd - ripping dvds should be as simple as unzip |
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racoontje Veteran
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 1290
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: |
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o The neat way Portage works.
o The neat way rc scripts are handled.
o The neat way it tought me how /etc worked.
o The neat way the community works. |
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boroshan l33t
Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 730 Location: upside down
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'd have to go with the emerging "portage and the community" meme.
Can I ask: why are you undertaking this project? Having been through the gentoo evangelism phase myself, I really don't think that Gentoo is for everyone.
My Father, for example, was worried by what he percieved as a lack of stability. I'd run emerge -uD world and a week later we'd find something that was broken. For me personally, that's part of the fun, and I learn things fixing these odd glitches. But my dad was scared off linux and back onto XP. On the other hand, Debian Stable has this rep for being ultra reliable. Maybe if I'd put that on his machine, he might still be using it.
For me, Gentoo is the best choice. Probably the best choice overall for the enthusiast. But you have to be ready for it. If your friends are happy with their distros, why not let them get on with it?
Assuming they're not using microsoft or anything anyway. Then you'd have a sacred duty to perform _________________ Don't let THEM immanentize the Eschaton! |
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Devard Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 117 Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Portage easily does it for me with the package installation.
The community is also vibrant and helpful. _________________ GARNET CROW |
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syg00 l33t
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 907 Location: Brisbane, AUS
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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No fucking GUI installer that insists it knows what I want more than I do !!!!
Oh, and portage
... and you lot of course.
But see the first sentence... |
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befortin Apprentice
Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 193
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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I love being able to keep my system up to date with just one command :
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su -c "emerge sync && emerge -auD world"
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I don't have to reinstall Gentoo like each 12 months (like you have to do with OpenBSD, for example) just to get the security patches! |
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mantheorem Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 83 Location: (hd0) Boot Sector
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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boroshan wrote: | I'd have to go with the emerging "portage and the community" meme.
Can I ask: why are you undertaking this project? Having been through the gentoo evangelism phase myself, I really don't think that Gentoo is for everyone.
My Father, for example, was worried by what he percieved as a lack of stability. I'd run emerge -uD world and a week later we'd find something that was broken. For me personally, that's part of the fun, and I learn things fixing these odd glitches. But my dad was scared off linux and back onto XP. On the other hand, Debian Stable has this rep for being ultra reliable. Maybe if I'd put that on his machine, he might still be using it.
For me, Gentoo is the best choice. Probably the best choice overall for the enthusiast. But you have to be ready for it. If your friends are happy with their distros, why not let them get on with it?
Assuming they're not using microsoft or anything anyway. Then you'd have a sacred duty to perform |
Boroshan,
I completely agree with you - by no ways or means is this intended to be a blind effort to bolster Gentoo. What I really wanted is a better understanding of why people like Gentoo. Perhaps a way to make this thread more meaninfgul would be to have people post their most favorite and least favorite thing about Gentoo. _________________ Peace. Love. Gentoo. |
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boroshan l33t
Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 730 Location: upside down
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Can't argue with that
The thing I like least about Gentoo, I suppose would have to be fact that I find out things are broken, weeks after the change that broke them and often have no idea what caused the problem. For instance I've not needed my USB key in weeks. Then I find myself overseas and my only net connection is via my employers system.
Suddenly, when I actually need the bloody thing, my USB key refuses to mount. Nothing I can't sort out, and I accept the breakage as a necesary price that I pay for gentoo's advantages. But it's still a royal pain sometimes _________________ Don't let THEM immanentize the Eschaton! |
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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The community is awesome (especially the much closer interaction the users/developers seem to have than with other F/OSS projects).
The documentation is thorough and explanatory.
Portage kicks ass. _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF |
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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stonent wrote: | What other linux will let you have a vector optimized wordprocessor? | _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF |
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mantheorem Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 83 Location: (hd0) Boot Sector
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Windows does have the convenience of automation for several tasks, but that automation comes at the cost of removing options and choices from the user. _________________ Peace. Love. Gentoo. |
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mark_lagace Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 Nov 2002 Posts: 77 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:26 am Post subject: |
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I'd have to say the best 'feature' of Gentoo is the documentation. Portage is great, but then again, so is apt. The documentation that Gentoo provides though, is unparalleled. It gives in depth explanations of not only how to do something, but also why you would want to do it, and what other options exist that you might want to consider. The combination of the official docs on the web page, the gentoo wiki, and the Documentation, Tips and Tricks forum is a tremendous resource that really shouldn't be overlooked. |
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donjuan l33t
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 760 Location: At Uni
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: |
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mark_lagace wrote: | I'd have to say the best 'feature' of Gentoo is the documentation. Portage is great, but then again, so is apt. The documentation that Gentoo provides though, is unparalleled. It gives in depth explanations of not only how to do something, but also why you would want to do it, and what other options exist that you might want to consider. The combination of the official docs on the web page, the gentoo wiki, and the Documentation, Tips and Tricks forum is a tremendous resource that really shouldn't be overlooked. |
I totally forgot about that, and I deffinitely have to agree. The docs are basically how I learned my way around Linux . _________________ Command-line ACCEPT_KEYWORDS is considered harmful, use the package.* files.
The Stage 1 on 3 Install |
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fuji Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 26 Apr 2002 Posts: 111
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Hehe, I installed Gentoo because of Larry the Cow so... I like Larry the Cow..... _________________ Came for the hype, stayed for Portage. |
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mantheorem Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 83 Location: (hd0) Boot Sector
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: doc |
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I feel lucky that Gentoo was really the first distro I ever played with - luckily, this means that I never had to go through a poorly documented distro. _________________ Peace. Love. Gentoo. |
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Omega21 l33t
Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 788 Location: Canada (brrr. Its cold up here)
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:00 am Post subject: |
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rcx21000 wrote: | Gentoo is good, becuase it never does anything for you.
Debian asks you a million questions, you understand them, but you have no idea what config files it's editing (you can proabably do a manual install, but I don't know how, so it is irrelavent ). With Gentoo, you manually edit the config files you want edited, and the "config helpers" can't fail, becuase there aren't any. Forcing you to manually do stuff also helps you learn how Linux/Unix really works (I went from knowing nothing to knowing pretty much by doing a Gentoo install).
Sometimes it's bad ("AARRRGHHHH!! Automount my thumbdrive, you STUPID gnome-volume-manger thingy!"). But it always turns out well (*insert thumbdrive* *"flash" icon appears* "YAY!! I only spent 3 hours, and I'll never have to waste 30sec with the "mount" command again!")
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Well, give the poor devs some credit. It is very hard to plan something as complex as a distro that will please everyone. You usually have something like "pork" linux that spoon feeds you loads, or something like gentoo that basically sits and does what you tell it, nothing else. I haven't found a distro yet that can balance those 2 goals. Its like communism vs. democracy. _________________ iMac G4 1GHz :: q6600 //2x 500GB//2GB RAM//8600GT//Gentoo :: MacBook Pro//2.53GHz |
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Omega21 l33t
Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 788 Location: Canada (brrr. Its cold up here)
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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fuji wrote: | Hehe, I installed Gentoo because of Larry the Cow so... I like Larry the Cow..... |
Nooo..... your *cough* not insane......
If you choose a distro based on a mascot, go for Mandrake. _________________ iMac G4 1GHz :: q6600 //2x 500GB//2GB RAM//8600GT//Gentoo :: MacBook Pro//2.53GHz |
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Cadex n00b
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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I like Gentoo because it is just the kind of Linux distro I have been looking for: It's slim, fast, requires only the stuff that you really want and has a very nice packet management!
Had SuSE for quite a long time and thought it was "okay". I still think that SuSE is a good choice for newbies.
But when I got my (pretty slow, 400MHz) Notebook, SuSE was just too slow, so I had to look for something faster.
I installed "Linux from scratch" - and thought it was very much exactly what I wanted: Only those packages that I need, optimized for my system etc.. But soon I recognized that installation of LFS can be real pain: It takes a lot of time, and if you just type one letter wrong then in the end you maybe have to start all over again. When I finally had a basic running system, something else bothered me even more: I could very well live without those massive graphical configuration tools SuSE etc. provide - but in the end I just didn't want to live without some kind of packet management tool... Doing _everything_ by hand is horror
Then I heard of Gentoo, and installed it - and though I have so far just installed the system, I think it is really exactly what I want: It's quite similar to LFS, but it's rather easy to install, since only few parts have to be done by hand. Furthermore, you can but you don't have to compile everything if you don't want to, a Stage3-install only takes a short time. And there is portage, probably the best thing about gentoo!
So from what I have seen so far, Gentoo seems to be pretty much like LFS - it has all of LFS' up sides but not the down sides and ships with a really superb packet management. |
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kimchi_sg Advocate
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 3038
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Portage! |
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andyfraser33 Apprentice
Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 166 Location: Oxford, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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What do I like about Gentoo? All the things people have already mentioned really: Portage, community, docs, control over the system etc. If my system suffers from bloat it's because I made it bloated.
I also like the use of colour on the console. A booting Gentoo box looks very professional without having to resort to a boot splash screen. There's a feeling of quality about the whole distro.[/b] _________________ Andy. |
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Omega21 l33t
Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 788 Location: Canada (brrr. Its cold up here)
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: |
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codergeek42 wrote: | stonent wrote: | What other linux will let you have a vector optimized wordprocessor? | |
Awesome point. _________________ iMac G4 1GHz :: q6600 //2x 500GB//2GB RAM//8600GT//Gentoo :: MacBook Pro//2.53GHz |
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mantheorem Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 83 Location: (hd0) Boot Sector
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:24 am Post subject: What! |
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I'm entirely new to linux.... what's a vector optimized wordprocessor?
_________________ Peace. Love. Gentoo. |
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: Re: What! |
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mantheorem wrote: | I'm entirely new to linux.... what's a vector optimized wordprocessor?
| DOn't worry about it yet _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF |
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Omega21 l33t
Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 788 Location: Canada (brrr. Its cold up here)
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: Re: What! |
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mantheorem wrote: | I'm entirely new to linux.... what's a vector optimized wordprocessor?
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I searched AltaVista and got this. Its rather long-winded, and may not be 100% accurate either, because I
barely know anything about vector optimization.
http://www.nacad.ufrj.br/guide/Misc/optimize_ed5.html
You could also try searching the Wikipedia. Its got to have
something about it. _________________ iMac G4 1GHz :: q6600 //2x 500GB//2GB RAM//8600GT//Gentoo :: MacBook Pro//2.53GHz |
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mantheorem Tux's lil' helper
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:54 am Post subject: Thanks |
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Thanks for the link. I think I understand now.
_________________ Peace. Love. Gentoo. |
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