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edudlive Guru
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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My comment is number 14...
Edit: It's not an April Fools' Joke! _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
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edudlive Guru
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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codergeek42 wrote: | My comment is number 14...
Edit: It's not an April Fools' Joke! |
HAHA! I didn't even look at the name. (I'm comment 18 ) |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows. _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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Q-collective Advocate
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows. |
Code: | emerge photoshop
serial: xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx |
I see problems arise... |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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LOL well you would just be prompted for the serial it wouldn't be THAT bad if done right. _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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Q-collective Advocate
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | LOL well you would just be prompted for the serial it wouldn't be THAT bad if done right. |
1. serial sites don't really make such a serial question effective
2. portage is opensource software: I just delete the serial question from the ebuild and go ahead with installing photoshop (or whatever)
3. legal issues: you bet all kinds of companies will not like this a lot...
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freelight Apprentice
Joined: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 295 Location: NYC, NY, USA
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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That problem has already been addressed in Gentoo Portage. Fetch restrictions (insert the Photoshop CD, or download it from Adobe, or pirate it like 90% of its users, but you're not getting it from Portage), promt for the serial and license agreement during the installation, and you're good to go.
Also, I don't think it's a good idea to link to that website here. |
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Q-collective Advocate
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:00 am Post subject: |
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freelight wrote: | Also, I don't think it's a good idea to link to that website here. |
Good point |
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bladdo Guru
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 334 Location: NJ
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Q-collective wrote: | Shadow Skill wrote: | there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows. |
Code: | emerge photoshop
serial: xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx |
I see problems arise... |
Yup, that is a big problem _________________ Bladdo formerly >Milo<
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edudlive Guru
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:33 am Post subject: |
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freelight wrote: | That problem has already been addressed in Gentoo Portage. Fetch restrictions (insert the Photoshop CD, or download it from Adobe, or pirate it like 90% of its users, but you're not getting it from Portage), promt for the serial and license agreement during the installation, and you're good to go.
Also, I don't think it's a good idea to link to that website here. |
why? |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: |
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If you were to apply this to Windows when ever you had to entre the serial you would simply be prompted when first trying to execute the program or there would be a prompt inside the installer, this is not a real problem at all if you use a bit of sense. _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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Given M. Sur l33t
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: |
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There is already proprietary software in portage that requires serials to work. UT2004 and VMWare come to mind immediately as those are the two that I use, but I'm quite certain there are more. _________________ What is the best [insert-type-of-program-here]? |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: |
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But OMFG wasn't it suppossed to be magically impossible for such things to be installed via a portage or even yum like system? I mean friggin WOW! _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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96140 Retired Dev
Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 1324
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Gentoo? On Windows?
That's distinctly unholy.
I feel bad enough booting into Windows in order to get some other tasks done that don't work in Linux, and even checking the Gentoo forums to help troubleshoot someone's minor installation difficulties feels ... wrong, somehow. Like I'm tainting something good and right (Gentoo) with something evil and scheming (Windows).
Sure, maybe it's a step toward reliability from Microsoft, but I wonder if they'd try to copyright it or in some other ways twist the license/copyrights to their advantage.
Portage? On Windows? Why?!? I can't think of any pressing reasons to implement it.
Good luck to the developers, though.
Maybe this is a good thing--a better future, more thoroughly Gentoo-ified world. |
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maxima Apprentice
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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is it related to this? |
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Given M. Sur l33t
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: |
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nightmorph wrote: | Sure, maybe it's a step toward reliability from Microsoft, but I wonder if they'd try to copyright it or in some other ways twist the license/copyrights to their advantage. |
It's not a MS project. It has absolutely nothing to do with them other than the fact that it's being ported to their OS. MS would never adopt portage.
And why the hell is it not a good idea to link to OSNews.com? That's the silliest thing I've heard all day. _________________ What is the best [insert-type-of-program-here]? |
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vonhelmet l33t
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:41 am Post subject: |
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This is pretty stupid.
For one thing, there is no dependency hell in Windows. It doesn't exist. The worst I've ever gone through was needing to install VB6 libraries from elsewhere.
Also, if it's only for SFU then it's not like there's going to be a huge library of software... just your basic Unix tools.
Whoop-di-doo. _________________ My blog
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96140 Retired Dev
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Given M. Sur wrote: | And why the hell is it not a good idea to link to OSNews.com? That's the silliest thing I've heard all day. |
I can't figure out why that's a bad idea, either. AFAIK OSnews is trustworthy. |
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pjp Administrator
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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vonhelmet wrote: | For one thing, there is no dependency hell in Windows. | DLL hell is far worse.
nightmorph wrote: | AFAIK OSnews is trustworthy. | I quit reading or paying attention to OSNews when I asked them to make a correction and they did not. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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vonhelmet l33t
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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pjp wrote: | vonhelmet wrote: | For one thing, there is no dependency hell in Windows. | DLL hell is far worse. |
Perhaps, but DLL hell is also far rarer than dependency hell in Linux.
Also, Portage on Windows won't be able to handle DLL hell in Windows if it's only designed for SFU, so it's pretty much a moot point. _________________ My blog
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dark_priest Apprentice
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Q-collective wrote: | Shadow Skill wrote: | there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows. |
Code: | emerge photoshop
serial: xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx |
I see problems arise... |
not really, see how VMware handles serialcodes ? thats in portage too. _________________ [ Censored by unpopular demand] |
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Q-collective Advocate
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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dark_priest wrote: | Q-collective wrote: | Shadow Skill wrote: | there is something so right yet so wrong about the whole idea. such a system could even be adapted to native windows applications even possibly eliminating the need for the current method of installing binaries in Windows. I would actually like Microsoft to take a serious look at the way Linux installs things a unified installer with already working dependency hell avoidance would be a truly kickass adition to windows. |
Code: | emerge photoshop
serial: xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx |
I see problems arise... |
not really, see how VMware handles serialcodes ? thats in portage too. |
Yes, but vmware is one of the very few commercial packages in the portage tree, and vmware didn't make an issue out of it (yet?)
But windows land is a whole different landscape: just about every package there is commercial or at least closed sourced and 90+% of the people are using windows.
I still see problems arise.
And maybe the fetch restriction could be a solution, but it would make the whole point of porting portage quite pointless |
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Given M. Sur l33t
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Q-collective wrote: | it would make the whole point of porting portage quite pointless |
The whole point of porting portage to Windows is to make it easier to install *nix programs in SFU. I highly doubt the developers doing the port intend to have it install anything else. Unless they also intend to manage their own portage tree. But I seriously doubt that. _________________ What is the best [insert-type-of-program-here]? |
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Given M. Sur wrote: | Q-collective wrote: | it would make the whole point of porting portage quite pointless |
The whole point of porting portage to Windows is to make it easier to install *nix programs in SFU. I highly doubt the developers doing the port intend to have it install anything else. Unless they also intend to manage their own portage tree. But I seriously doubt that. |
Hmm, then it would make more sense |
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