[partly solved]hald/KDE media IOslave not using pmount-hal??

MadEgg · l33t Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 678 Location: Netherlands

I don't know exactly what caused it, but a few days ago, whenever I plugged my USB Stick in, in KDE's media:/ IOSlave it appeared instantly and I could open it right away. When I checked on the console it was mounted at /media/X_MICRO_MP3 or something like that, anyway some name refering to the vendor and model of my USB-stick. Now that isn't working anymore.

I've upgrade ivman since then but I don't know if ivman is working together with KDE's media:/ slave or that KDE gets it's information from HAL/DBUS directly; but it doesn't appear anymore in the media:/ IOslave.
Another change is that if the USB stick is plugged in during boot, it will not be mounted automatically. It only gets mounted if I plug it in while the system is already on. And it doesn't get mounted at /media/X_MICRO_EASY_MP3 anymore, but it's mounted at /media/sde1(since the USB-stick gets the /dev/sde1 device-node).

Is this due to some KDE-configuration error or is a problem with ivman? Is ivman actually necessary for getting this to work using the media:/ IOslave? And how can I get the stick to get mounted at /media/X_MICRO_MP3 again instead of /media/sde1? Remember that I didn't configure ivman at all before, there wasn't any specific rule to get it there, so somehow it was set up to mount USB devices at their device-name instead of their device node.

Anyway, the ideal situation wasn't there yet for me, what I would actually like to see would be that whenever I plug my USB-stick in or insert a CD-ROM, I get a new icon on my desktop with the name of the volume or the name of the device, much like what happens on Mac OS X. Is this at all possible, and if so, what software do I need and what software don't I need?

A lot of questions, but anything related to any of the questions would be appreciated!
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MadEgg · l33t Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 678 Location: Netherlands

Right, I just discovered that somehow kdebase-kioslaves was compiled with USE="-hal", so I recompiled it with USE="hal" and now the devices show up in media:/ again.
But I still can't open them because I get an error message that there is no fstab entry, when ivman is not running.
When ivman is running, I can open them but I get relocated to /media/sde1, not /media/X_MICRO_MP3.

I found http://wiki.kdenews.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS which tells me how to have hal use pmount but the location specified there, or even the file, doesn't exist so I suppose that's a gentoo related thing. I really don't prefer pmount over automatic fstab entry creation, but I can't get any of them to work at the moment.

After reading some manpages of pmount, it seems that if a <label> argument is passed to pmount, it gets mounted to /media/<label> instead of /media/<device>. So somehow before(by KDE??) a <label> was passed, and now it isn't anymore.

[update]
Been fiddling some more, running 'pmount-hal <udi>' from the console works fine, it mounts it at /media/X_MICRO_MP3 as it did before. So somehow it's not mounted using pmount-hal; could this have something to do with the warning in the hal installation script which told me to remove /etc/hal/device.d?
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MadEgg · l33t Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 678 Location: Netherlands

*bump*
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MadEgg · l33t Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 678 Location: Netherlands

Someone must have it working using HAL 0.5.4 right?
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MadEgg · l33t Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 678 Location: Netherlands

Finally somehow reverted back to hal-0.4.7; now media:/ KIOslave works again using hal-0.4.7 and dbus-0.23-r2. This is working now without the use of pmount.

The thing is, the only version of pmount currently in portage requires hal-0.5.1 which is a version that KDE doesn't really work with(yet). There are older versions of pmount that don't require hal-0.5.1 but there's no ebuild for those.

Ah well, at least I've got a working setup right now, I'll have to have some patience to use pmount apparently.
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kmare · Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:

i got the same problem i think... i can see the devices showing up with hal 0.5.4 but under media:/ i can't enter them. I noticed that hal 0.5.4 doesn't use/build fstab-sync as it did before.. so i guess that kde is getting confused. How do i make kde use pmount instead of fstab-sync when mounting a device?

thanx
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Headrush · Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:02 am Post subject:

MadEgg · l33t Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 678 Location: Netherlands

Someone told me that KDE 3.4 doesn't like hal-0.5.x, and that it is made for hal-0.4.x so that might be the reason why it isn't working; I guess that KDE 3.5 will have support for it when it's finished...
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Headrush · Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject:

MadEgg · l33t Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 678 Location: Netherlands

Yea, well, KDE 3.5 isn't finished yet, is it?

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Headrush · Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:33 am Post subject:

MadEgg · l33t Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 678 Location: Netherlands

Yup, therefore it woulnd't be too weird if the media IOslave code isn' rewritten yet to work with HAL-0.5. I would think any dependency like this should be avoided, imo KDE-3.5 should have support for HAL-0.4.x and HAL-0.5.x.

I also found this patch from archlinux http://cvs.archlinux.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/kde/kdebase/hal-0.5x.patch?cvsroot=Extra&only_with_tag=MAIN

That patch should be able to handle HAL-0.5.x when using KDE 3.4 but I'm not too good with applying patches, maybe someone could put it in an ebuild to have it handled automatically?
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Headrush · Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:

Headrush · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject:

Some SUCCESS!

It looks like for the most part the HAL/DBUS pmount combination is working.

I needed a media reader that supported a compact flash so I ditched my old media reader and got a new one that supported more flash types and low and behold all the the flash type media devices work and will automatically mount. (If I so ask in KDE popup window)

CDs and DVDs always worked fine anyways, and the only thing that doesn't work is the HD in the USB enclosure.
My guess is that when HAL asks the device for info, the info returned by the HD is that it isn't removeable, and hence causes problems.
I can either add a udev rule and fstab entry for this device, or search into creating a specific HAL fdi entry for the HD saying that it is removeable and see how that works.

I'll post how it works out with the second method.

Tlaloc · Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject:

Just FYI, maybe useful to someone.
Tried to install hal, dbus with pmount today following the documentation in the gentoo wiki. For pmount I used the ebuild in portage, which requires hal 0.5 and therefore pulls it in. Since hal 0.5 has no fstab-sync anymore I was unsure about what to do then and fiddled around a while. It was only by coincidence that I found out that adding my user to the plugdev group was at least sufficient to allow me to mount my usb stick without an entry for it in fstab. It seems that just adding the user to the plugdev group and emerging pmount is sufficient for hal to use it. Please someone confirm or try it and correct me if I am wrong.
Bye, Valentin.

EDIT:
@Headrush
Which kde popup window, I don't see any when plugging in my card reader or usb stick.

Something else. ivman seems not to work correctly for me. Automount works with my devices but I am prevented from unmounting them.
Thats the error:

Headrush · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject:

Tlaloc · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject:

Headrush · Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject:

Shadow Skill · Veteran Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023

I seem to be having wierd issues with KDE and media:/ I took out the Udev rules I created for my Iriver [which really only partially worked, it wouldn't detect the device properly during boot up.] and a rule I was making for my USB stick. with Konqueror my usb stick won't even show up as an available hard disk while I have two entries for my internal sata hard drive one being sda1 which functions properly the other being sda which fails to mount at all obviously. The usb stick shows up as sdb with sdb1 being the mount target, in Nautilus the usb stick shows up as unmounted but it won't let me mount the stick it keeps wanting to mount /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1. Strangley enough on my laptop both my Iriver and my usb stick mount properly without my having created any specific rules to govern them, my only problem is that I cannot unmount or eject them as a normal user [I'll check and see if plgdev is available on my laptop later, but I don't have pmount installed at all on it so I doubt it.] any ideas on how I can fix these problems for my machines?

Update:

I just rebooted after adding my Iriver back to fstab and reenabling my slightly broken udev rule and the Iriver appears in Nautilus as expected and I'm able to mount and unmount as a normal user but Konqueror gives me the you are not root error a previous poster mentioned here, and it still has a duplicate entry for my sata hdd [that doesn't actually work.] and it does not see my Iriver at all...any ideas given this new info?

I'm running KDE 3.4, and Gnome (specifically Nautilus) 2.12.1
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VoVaN · Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject:

I'm using KDE-3.5_beta2 and don't use pmount/ivman... and everything works fine here. All I've to do is compile the latest hal (sys-apps/hal-0.5.4) with --enable-fstab-sync and then:

taskara · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:44 am Post subject:

VoVaN · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:52 am Post subject:

taskara · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject:

Sorry.. 0.5.4, not 6 opps. will amend.

Can I ask a few questions of you, can you unmount CD's using the "Storage Media" applet on the taskbar? and what happens when you run eject from the same thing?
Eject hasn't worked for me under KDE since 3.4 has been out.

Cheers
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VoVaN · Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:50 am Post subject:

taskara · Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:02 am Post subject:

You were right.. I had to also chown /etc to haldaemon:root.
I also had to hack the ivman ebuild because adding a user was inside the sourcecompile section and I'm using pre-compiled binaries.

Allso hacked the hal ebuild to enable fstabsync and chowning automatically. If anyone wants them I'll upload them (included in Kororaa beta2).

Thanks VoVan, you saved me lots of time

Chris
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