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furanku l33t
Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 905 Location: Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: 802.11b WLAN, WEP and amd64 stalls under high traffic |
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Hi!
I recently changed my machine to a AMD64 x2 4200+ from an Athlon 1700+, moving also my Netgear MA 311 WLAN Card to the new machine. Except for recompiling the necessary driver and tools for the new CPU (amd64 System) I reused the configuration files from the old machine. If I now generate high network traffic, e.g. by downloading a huge source tar ball during an emerge, the network stalls after a few seconds. In most of the cases it comes up again after some 10 seconds in some cases I had to interrupt the transfer and restart the download. In the logfiles I find entries like "AP out range" and "AP in range", but the signal strength should be good enough and was it during the last two years with the old machine.
My guess is that this has something to do with the WEP encryption I use (I know it's not secure anymore, but as long as the card and the router doesn't provide anything better it's better then nothing). It's just a guess: I don't remember where and can't find it anymore but I heard of such problems in other forums. The card worked perfectly on the old 32 bit machine.
Has anyone experienced the same problems or has a solution? |
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UberLord Retired Dev
Joined: 18 Sep 2003 Posts: 6835 Location: Blighty
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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If that's using the madwifi driver then you're experiencing the same thing I am. I actually blamed it on my Draytek AP which is notoriously bad for this, but now you mention it, it maybe the madwifi driver.
But anyway, I'm so ticked off with it I wanged a rt2500pci card in my server (got one already in my amd64) and now run an ad-hoc + wep connection that's slower (ad-hoc == 11mbs) and more insecure (no wep), but it's 100% reliable. The unexpected bonus is that running a seperate subnet for my wireless through my server means I can shape traffic on the router ethernet for better latency on the internet _________________ Use dhcpcd for all your automated network configuration needs
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furanku l33t
Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 905 Location: Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: |
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I'm using a Netgear MA 311 (Prism 2.5 based Card) with the orinoco driver from the 2.6.15-gentoo-r4 sources. In the meantime I'm so annoyed of it (I'm also using a wireless UPnP media renderer, which crashes if it loses contact to the server ) that I'll upgrade to some 802.11g card.
Ahhh... wonderfull times are coming again going through all the mailing lists and driver sites to find a working combination of router, pci, pcmcia card, arguing with shop assistents to open the box so I can see the revision of the card, compiling kernel after kernel, being a steady guest on support mailing lists ... I'm really a linux lover but these are the moments when I envy Windows users.
Frank, ready to go into the wilderness. |
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furanku l33t
Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 905 Location: Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: |
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UberLord wrote: | But anyway, I'm so ticked off with it I wanged a rt2500pci card in my server (got one already in my amd64) and now run an ad-hoc + wep connection that's slower (ad-hoc == 11mbs) and more insecure (no wep), but it's 100% reliable. The unexpected bonus is that running a seperate subnet for my wireless through my server means I can shape traffic on the router ethernet for better latency on the internet |
OK, so in the meanwhile I found out that SMP on amd64 and WLAN seems to be a delicate topic in the moment. And I found out that you seem to be the maintainer of the rt2x00 ebuild which, according to their forums, have some limited success on these sytems (Thanks for making gentoo such a good distribution!) and the developers are working hard on these drivers.
So my question is: How would you rate the chances to get somthing (mostly) stable running within the next 6 weeks on an amd64smp system using a rt2500 card? My gf freaks out when she come's back and find those "damned cables" again in our flat... girls!
I know this question is impossible to answer for sure, I just ask for an "educated guess". |
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UberLord Retired Dev
Joined: 18 Sep 2003 Posts: 6835 Location: Blighty
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: |
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furanku wrote: | So my question is: How would you rate the chances to get somthing (mostly) stable running within the next 6 weeks on an amd64smp system using a rt2500 card? My gf freaks out when she come's back and find those "damned cables" again in our flat... girls! |
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The rt2x00 devs changed from the in-kernel ieee80211 stack to the devicescape 80211 stack for various reasons.
The downside is that no-one can get it to work with 2.6.15 kernels or higher yet.
I don't recommend beta3 of the driver either as it freezes the kernel from time 2 time.
However, if you don't run SMP or PREEMPT then the rt2500 driver in portage (masked ~ARCH) works 100% fine on my amd64 server in ad-hoc mode. _________________ Use dhcpcd for all your automated network configuration needs
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furanku l33t
Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 905 Location: Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Thank you so much!
That saved me a lot of time and annoyance. Seems like noone's building stable WLAN stuff anymore these days ... I nearly bought a Netgear router because of good expeirence with my old one, just to find out on the internet that Netgear never got the firmware of the new one even semi stable.
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However, if you don't run SMP or PREEMPT then the rt2500 driver in portage (masked ~ARCH) works 100% fine on my amd64 server in ad-hoc mode. |
I also read that in the forums, but that's no alternative for me: I just bought the amd64 x2 to do heavy numerical computations in solid state physics.
So, is there really no 802.11g chipset with working amd64smp drivers? Am I doomed to 200kB/s (and occasional network stalls) with a 6 Mbit ADSL connection? |
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