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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sindre wrote:
Also there's this new /sys directory. What's it's purpose? Seems to me as an ordered mix between /dev and /proc.


The new sysfs is the new designated location for all device and driver info in a much more efficient layout. Eventually, all hardware info from proc will be moved to sysfs, leaving only in what proc was designed for in the first place: process info.

(Navigating sysfs is actually quite interesting, as it maps all your hardware in a very useful Windows-Device-Manager-ish layout.)
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyfred wrote:
Well ive been using mm1 for 12hours quite happily except for two little things regarding my mice. (its a laptop machine with a ps2 touch pad and a usb external mouse)[...]

Same config here... and everytrhing works well, ps2/mouse and USB mouse..

cyfred wrote:

1) On boot up if I have mousedev compiled statically the system tries to load it as a module. This fails, so I compiled mousedev as a module. But now I can only use the ps2 mouse if I have the usb mouse plugged in. mousedev is in modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.5 and does get loaded... It seems there is some "mice" controller that just doesnt activate the ps2 mouse until something is loaded during inserting the usb mouse (wether during boot or when running).[...]

I compiled the mousedev in the kernel and even though the module fails to load, the two mice still work. USB mouse is compiled as module.

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2) Touch pad clicking doesnt work. As in i cant just tap the touch pad and have that recognised as a cllick. Thats no big deal but it is annoying... as im used to it now...

Reverse the synaptic-mouse-pacth. look in the 2.5.70-mm1/broken directory for that patch and do a
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patch -p1 -R < synaptic-mouse-patch
in your kenrel tree. This is how I got it working on mine. There was a suggestion about loading the modules with an option (I can't recall what option sorry) but I tried it and it never worked for me, so I just reversed the synaptic-mouse-patch.

cyfred wrote:

Well actually there was one other thing. On boot up I recieved
Code:
 xargs: environment is too large for exec...

I just patched the findutils/xargs/xargs.c source file to stop arg_max being limited to 20 * 1024 and now the error is gone. But is that the best way to do this? Or should I be looking to fix something else?

Can you provide us with your pacths? I have the same issue here.

Thanks and regards,
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seemed very fast, but some stuff didn't get along quite as well on my system. I need USB support, HID, and EHCI and OHCI all as modules for my nforce2, and OHCI won't load (has to be modules or it'll lock up, at least with my experience with 2.4.20-gaming-r3). I prefer OSS over ALSA for sound, for compatiblity reasons, and the emu10k1 driver with the kernel doesn't want to send sound to my left speaker (I double checked the balance with aumix). If you're wondering why I don't use onboard nforce2 sound, the nvaudio OSS driver won't give me permission to /dev/dsp to play games, though it's set correctly in devfsd.conf and xmms and xine work fine. Alsa with the i8x0 driver won't send anything to my left speaker as well. And there's not bootsplash with the frame buffer, so back to the gaming-sources I go. I was using 2.5.70-mm1 if anyone cares.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just switched from CFQ to AS on my 2.5.70-mm1 and I still get a hard lockup in X, but this time only when I try to compile something. I had it locked up twice while doing emerge sync and emerge -up --world. Without any compilation going it's stabel (well it seems stable), but it's definatelly more stable than CFQ, at least in 2.5.70-mm1.

darktux Still waiting for your .config file in order to get some diffs on mine to see If I have an option bugging me. Thanks

And for those having xmms to skip, try to change the output plugin (I was using esd) to something else. I tried the builtin OSS and alsa-xmms as output plugin and the skipping while browsing the network disapeared. Try it and post your results here...

hope this helps

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's an interview with Nick Piggin (the guy who wrote the AS scheduler) on kerneltrap.org - it well worth a read if you want to understand how the three schedulers work.

he also mentions the possiblity of combining CFQ and AS - which just made my mouth water...
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that info LoveChild.. will check that out ASAP...

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yay. i'm running 2.5.70-mm1 and it's running perfect and seems quicker than 2.4.20. I have finally managed to lose my network card transmit timeout errors and having unreadable kernel logs because they are plagued with the bloody things :). Looks like 2.6 is going to be very nice. Linux keeps getting more and more perfect :)

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those that wanted the patch for xargs here is a link
http://www.volutin.net/~andrew/GENTOO/findutils-4.1.7-r5.tar.gz

Just stick that ebuild into your overlay directory and emerge -u findutils

Silverter: Where is this directory 2.5.70-mm1/broken that you speak of? I cant find it anywhere. Even locate *synaptic* found nothing...
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyfred wrote:
For those that wanted the patch for xargs here is a link
http://www.volutin.net/~andrew/GENTOO/findutils-4.1.7-r5.tar.gz

Just stick that ebuild into your overlay directory and emerge -u findutils
[...]

Thanks for that patch, will try that soon...
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Silverter: Where is this directory 2.5.70-mm1/broken that you speak of? I cant find it anywhere. Even locate *synaptic* found nothing...

ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.5/2.5.70/2.5.70-mm1/broken-out/
Get the synaptic-mouse-patch from there and reverve the patch in your kernel tree.

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyfred wrote:
For those that wanted the patch for xargs here is a link
http://www.volutin.net/~andrew/GENTOO/findutils-4.1.7-r5.tar.gz

Just stick that ebuild into your overlay directory and emerge -u findutils

I'm still using 2.5.69-mm9 on my laptop, but I was getting the same xargs error and this patch worked well for me.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And for those having xmms to skip, try to change the output plugin (I was using esd) to something else. I tried the builtin OSS and alsa-xmms as output plugin and the skipping while browsing the network disapeared. Try it and post your results here...

Again, with 2.5.69-mm9, I was having skipping/crackling sounds with the alsa driver on XMMS. I'm also using the crossfade plugin. What worked for me was to increase the alsa buffer time to 3 seconds. The crackling went away after that. I would imagine that the same solution would work under 2.5.70.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never been able to completely get rid of xmms jumps :( I'm using OSS, settings are as follows:

Buffser size: 3000 ms
Pre-buffer: 25%

Any recomendations for alterations?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

port001 wrote:
I've never been able to completely get rid of xmms jumps :( I'm using OSS, settings are as follows:

Buffser size: 3000 ms
Pre-buffer: 25%

Any recomendations for alterations?


Yeah, xmms has some very poor design, try another player instead.

to test this do what you normally do and watch xmms crumble - try the same with say zinf or mpg123 and they will probably survive. xmms is just that bad, sorry.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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port001 wrote:
I've never been able to completely get rid of xmms jumps :( I'm using OSS, settings are as follows:

Buffser size: 3000 ms
Pre-buffer: 25%

Any recomendations for alterations?


Yeah, xmms has some very poor design, try another player instead.

to test this do what you normally do and watch xmms crumble - try the same with say zinf or mpg123 and they will probably survive. xmms is just that bad, sorry.


I've changed the Buffser size to 4 seconds, not had any jumps so far.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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- try the same with say zinf or mpg123 and they will probably survive. xmms is just that bad, sorry.


are those X based or CL?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's because you buffer so much that you can cover up for xmms' bad design - it's basically the same way they used to "shock proof" portable cd players. That's a bad solution, but it's good enough to cover up the combined badness of esd and xmms - when I'm streaming I prefetch 2048kb and I buffer at least ½ of that in the decoder, esd is set up buffer 6 secs and it virtually never skips but I use a lot of ram that way.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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- try the same with say zinf or mpg123 and they will probably survive. xmms is just that bad, sorry.


are those X based or CL?


first one is gtk1 I think, and the latter is cli.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

17:45:36 up 1 day, 0 min, 6 users, load average: 3.61, 3.07, 2.72

2.5.70-mm1 with AS. No lockups. Its rock-solid here.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovechild wrote:
that's because you buffer so much that you can cover up for xmms' bad design - it's basically the same way they used to "shock proof" portable cd players. That's a bad solution, but it's good enough to cover up the combined badness of esd and xmms - when I'm streaming I prefetch 2048kb and I buffer at least ½ of that in the decoder, esd is set up buffer 6 secs and it virtually never skips but I use a lot of ram that way.


Well, I like xmms so much i'll just keep upping the buffer untill the jumps stop.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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17:45:36 up 1 day, 0 min, 6 users, load average: 3.61, 3.07, 2.72

2.5.70-mm1 with AS. No lockups. Its rock-solid here.


1 day uptime != rock solid...

sounds like a microsoft PR packet :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IntergalacticWalrus wrote:
When 2.6 will be out, migrating from 2.4 won't be too smooth cause a lot of things will be broken, that's for sure.

When are these things going to get broken? I'm using 2.5.70 and seem to be encountering an unusually low number of broken 'things'.

Methinks doth knowest little on this subject.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats why its nearly up to the 2.6test kernels!

i just love linux, i would like to see microsoft get a new kernel version, bugfree and with all the upgrades the 2.4 kernel has got out in ~1 year
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thats why its nearly up to the 2.6test kernels!

i just love linux, i would like to see microsoft get a new kernel version, bugfree and with all the upgrades the 2.4 kernel has got out in ~1 year


What do you mean, they have millions and millions of beta testers out there, and most of them are paying..... oh man I can't wait for the final, I've been on the beta team since DOS 5.x
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried reversing the synaptics patch as suggested above and my touch pad mouse still cannnot be clicked by tapping the pad. Anyone got anymore suggestions?

On the other topic, I cleaned the sources and have mousedev compiled as a static and there is no module loading problems...
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2003 9:59 am    Post subject: with gcc-3.3 ? Reply with quote

A few people are saying they can compile/run 2.5.70-mm1 without problems... Are any of you compiling the kernel with gcc-3.3 ?

Twice i've compiled 2.5.70-mm1 but it won't boot. The config file is not much changed from my current one (2.5.69-mm2).
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