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DewmSolo n00b
Joined: 28 May 2003 Posts: 48 Location: Valleyfield, Canada(Quebec)
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 5:22 pm Post subject: Enlightenment ?!?! |
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From what I read so far in the gentoo forums everybody is using either KDE, Gnome, or Fluxbox as window manager....
So far I've always either used Gnome or KDE....just like everybody else...but I've also used Enlightenment ...much more than any other manager in fact.
It always worked fine, fast, stable, etc for me....So I wanted to know howcome nobody seems to use it?
The themes for it kick ass too....I remember that one that modified your whole desktop to look and act like a star trek computer....too freakin' nice.
So.....why is nobody using it? Is there an issue I don't about....a disadvantage that no other manager has??? |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20092
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I tried it along with 6 or so themese that I thought were all awful. E itself may be fine. There were some quirks about it I didn't like, but didn't use it enough to resolve them. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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ebrostig Bodhisattva
Joined: 20 Jul 2002 Posts: 3152 Location: Orlando, Fl
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, from what I have seen, it is only eyecandy and to be frank with you, I didn't particularly care for them either. Looks nice as a picture, but a nightmare to work on for 8 hours a day.
I think it is still far from having reached enlightenment
Erik _________________ 'Yes, Firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.' |
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Red Nalie Guru
Joined: 24 Mar 2003 Posts: 484 Location: Den Helder - The Netherlands - Europe - Earth - Milky Way - Universe
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I vote for Quartz Extreme for Linux _________________ Many people call me Linux-freak, I just see me as a freak who uses Linux
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Chickpea l33t
Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 846 Location: Vancouver WA
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Truly, it is because I could never really figure out how to use it. probably I wasnt ready to use it. Currently I use Fluxbox, but now looking to try FVWM although waimea is looking good to me again. E just didnt seem to have the right fit. |
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Jeff Binder Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 06 Dec 2002 Posts: 117 Location: RPI (Troy, NY, US, etc.)
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I use E. It works fine for me. _________________ Anyone who attributes a quote to themself is a pompous fool.
--me |
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shm Advocate
Joined: 09 Dec 2002 Posts: 2380 Location: Atlanta, Universe
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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I used E almost exclusively two-three years ago... I used it with GNOME 1.2..
from E, I switched to sawfish (which was back then sawmill)... it was actually quite a bit more customizable than E.. eventually, I got tired of GNOME+sawfish, so I switched to blackbox... I ditched blackbox, and later fluxbox, when KDE 3.0 came out.. I've been using that for the last year. |
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Lovechild Advocate
Joined: 17 May 2002 Posts: 2858 Location: Århus, Denmark
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Enlightenment is all nice but it's not a DE, and that's what I need - but Rasterman has some nice ideas. |
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gsfgf Veteran
Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 1266
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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I *heart* E _________________ Aim:gsfgf0 |
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avenj Retired Dev
Joined: 11 Oct 2002 Posts: 495 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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I use enlightenment with the Maw theme.
It's definitely my favorite window manager. It takes a significant amount of time to configure to suit yourself, however - I use fluxbox in situations where I just want to get a window manager up quick. |
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MrF n00b
Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 73 Location: Auckland, NZ
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 12:53 am Post subject: |
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I use E16 with the Genesis, or K10K themes, and all the effects turned off. Used that way it's like a better looking *box imo. |
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[UK]Superdude Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 149 Location: Adelaide, Australia
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 2:01 am Post subject: |
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I also used E with Gnome 1.x, back when I was using redhat - *hangs head*
Ive since tried it stand alone, and did use it for some time. But in the end I found KDE 3 much closer to the DE I was looking for. I have however compiled E 17 from CVS a few times (easier now with the cvs ebuild) and will most likely try E17 as my desktop when released. I keep it installed, however, as I love to use E to show off to people not used to linux |
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slougi Apprentice
Joined: 12 Nov 2002 Posts: 222 Location: Oulu, Finland
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avenj Retired Dev
Joined: 11 Oct 2002 Posts: 495 Location: New Hampshire
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zypher Retired Dev
Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Posts: 416 Location: Cologne, ger.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 10:27 am Post subject: |
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slougi: Great wallpaper!
Is that one free? && where can I get it? _________________ linux user 65882 |
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frippz Guru
Joined: 22 Aug 2002 Posts: 460 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 10:34 am Post subject: |
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I've tried E16 and the beta E17 (or alpha?).
I was lazy at the time I never took the time to get into either of them. For now Gnome 2.2 works just fine with me! |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20092
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Is that theme downloadable (and if so, where)?
Thanks. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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burmashave Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 01 Dec 2002 Posts: 82
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Enlightenment ?!?! |
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DewmSolo wrote: |
So.....why is nobody using it? Is there an issue I don't about....a disadvantage that no other manager has???
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DewmSolo, I've wondered the same thing. I started using E when I setup my gentoo installation about a year ago. I think that many users give up on E before they get used to it. I forced myself to stick with it to see if it would work for me, and now I wouldn't be without it. I literally feel claustrophobic now when I use other WM's and especially when I use Windows.
E is much more than eye candy. I find it extremely useful to be able to see what's running on my desktops, not to mention the ability to drag a window to the current or other desktop. To me, it is much better than having a lot of window icons on a tray, and E makes it much easier to remember what is running on which desktop. That said, E is so different from other WM's that it probably takes more time to get accustomed to than most users are willing spend.
Perhaps the one thing about the default install I found annoying was the ease with which you can use the mouse to slide across the double-width desktops (left and right). This can be adjusted from settings (right click >> Settings >> Virtual Desktop Settings >> Resistance at edge of screen).
Another thing about E I like is that all of the config files are in text format, and they are easy to find and edit. I know that KDE stores its configuration in text files; however, they are not as accessble (IMHO) as those in E. |
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idl Retired Dev
Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Posts: 1728 Location: Nottingham, UK
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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For some stupid reason I wont use E untill e17 is released, I allways want the latest and greatest... perhaps i'll give the CVS another go, see if its stable enough for use yet. _________________ a.k.a port001
Found a bug? Please report it: Gentoo Bugzilla |
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ebrostig Bodhisattva
Joined: 20 Jul 2002 Posts: 3152 Location: Orlando, Fl
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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slougi and avenj Looking at your desktops.. They are the exact reason why I can't use that type of eye candy. Trying to get any work done for 8 hours a day in front of one of those screens and i would have a headache all the way down to my toes!
I agree, it looks great as eye-candy, but it is horrible to work on. It's a total disaster for your eyes, it's almost impossible to read dark text on a dark background and transparancy is hopeless in a work setting.
If all you do is read a few emails and surf the web a bit, sure ok. Playing mp3's in xmms, no problem. But having to concentrate on what you read and trying to do some brain work with those decorations is just not good.
IMHO the desktop should be as invisible as possible, the focus should be on the work you do. The use of colors should be pleasant on your eyes and not put an extra strain on them. The colors should be subdued, but not dark, yet not too bright.
Oh well... It's not MY desktop
Erik _________________ 'Yes, Firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.' |
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gsfgf Veteran
Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 1266
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ebrostig Bodhisattva
Joined: 20 Jul 2002 Posts: 3152 Location: Orlando, Fl
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Can't even get to the screenshot so I can't really flame you crisp just yet!
Erik _________________ 'Yes, Firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.' |
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avenj Retired Dev
Joined: 11 Oct 2002 Posts: 495 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly, I only use transparency in screenshots for eye-candy reasons.
Here's my real workspace, with two xterms running screen and xchat-2.
http://cvs.gentoo.org/~avenj/ss/newshot3.jpg
JPEG quality in that screenshot is really awful, but it's ~700k as is... |
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ebrostig Bodhisattva
Joined: 20 Jul 2002 Posts: 3152 Location: Orlando, Fl
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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avenj wrote: | Honestly, I only use transparency in screenshots for eye-candy reasons.
Here's my real workspace, with two xterms running screen and xchat-2.
http://cvs.gentoo.org/~avenj/ss/newshot3.jpg
JPEG quality in that screenshot is really awful, but it's ~700k as is... |
Yeah, that one makes more sense
I could work in that environment, but not in the other one
Erik _________________ 'Yes, Firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.' |
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gsfgf Veteran
Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 1266
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 1:51 am Post subject: |
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ebrostig wrote: |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ;)
Can't even get to the screenshot so I can't really flame you crisp just yet! :twisted:
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hmm... works for me. sometimes people do have trouble getting to my servers. maybe it has to do with dyndns. who knows?
btw, all i did to get that arrangement was to shade the browser i had open. _________________ Aim:gsfgf0 |
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