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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2003 9:17 pm    Post subject: a7n8x lockup Reply with quote

Hi there. I just got my A7N8X (dx) up and going under my gentoo install (formerly a k7-900). The only bad thing that I've seen so far is a couple of random hard lock ups (numlock key not working). At the time I was downloading from usenet and watching video. The first time it locked up as I started watching a video with mplayer while downloading, then again a bit later when I came back in and told pan to "resume" and as it started downloading again it locked up right then.

I'm using the 3c59x driver for the first NIC on the board. I'm not sure that it's either mplayer or the video, but I was playing ut2003 earlier for a while with no problems (at high settings) so I don't think it's a matter of the system being taxed too much.

Using the 2.4.21-ac (whatever the latest in stable is), with the i8xx sound drives (not nvaudio), and the nvnet drivers are installed but not loaded. The nvidia glx/kernel drivers are loaded. I haven't had a chance to see if there is a way to properly duplicate this yet, as I'm in the middle of doing the hardware shuffle.... :)

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I know it's not much to go on, but any thoughts or similar experiences would be appreciated.

*edit*
Well, it seems to be stable now. Not sure what was up, but I did some of the same things (lots of network traffic, playing videos) and had no problems...
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2003 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too am having some random lockups with this board

I tried the 2.5.70 kernel and that locked up quite frequently even with acpi off, now I'm on xfs-sources 2.4.20-r3 and I still get a lockup or two

I'm compiling preemptible kernel out right now to see if that helps

if anyone has had stabiliy probs with the a7n8x and know how they fixed them I would appreciate it if you could post what you did :)
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2003 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: a7n8x lockup Reply with quote

When using the onboard 3com network card, I kept getting "eth0: transmit timeout" errors in dmesg, and my network craps out. I popped in a PCI version of the card, and it works perfectly. I haven't tried the nvidia network card, but my friend did with this same board and got some other weird errors.

He was getting a lot of errors with the board when he first bought it - network errors, hard crashes all over the place, and then finally hard drive corruption - and so he RMA'd it. The replacement had the same problem with the network cards (transmit timeouts) so he gave up nForce and bought a KT400 board instead. I grabbed it, and aside from the network problem, haven't had any trouble.

That said, I'm not very impressed with this board - I can't overclock the FSB, for instance. With my old EPoX 8K3A I used to be able to overclock to a 175 or more MHz FSB, with my memory set to CAS2. With this one, with the exact same memory, I can't make the memory go any faster than about 138, CAS2.5. Additionally, the board has a wretchedly horrible BIOS save bug, where about 1 time in 10, changing the front side bus and saving your BIOS settings will crash the BIOS and leave you with a fux0red BIOS. The only way to fix it was to buy another nForce2 board, and perform a hot BIOS chip swap :twisted: (I had to buy a BIOS extractor), and reflash the BIOS in a different board (in this case, a ASUS A7N8X non-deluxe) 8O. It had to be another nForce2 board - for some reason, it refused to flash on any other motherboard.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm having a bit of stability trouble, but mine seems to stem from the serial ata drives i'm using. gss-sources here.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to have solved the stability probs now with xfs-sources with acpi and preempt off
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have also lockup problems with this board, using gaming-sources. I'll also try out to turn off preemptive kernel tonight and report if it's working. But what about ACPI? I still want my system to power down automatically if i "poweroff" - any other possibility to do this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have that board, an XP 2500 gig-o-ram and have no issues with any feature of the board (except SATA, gentoo-sources does not have driver for it)

i dont have acpi (linux has horrible support for it), i do have preempt. i use gentoo-sources and use the supported audio driver (i810? or something) and nforce-net network driver.

dont use the 3com nic on the asus board, the nvidia nic is far better/faster.

1) you can overclock the board to 250mhz before bios 1004, 233 mhz with bios 1004. you just have to make sure the settings are on user-defined. if you cannot overclock, i suggest you read the manual again as there is instructions on where/how to do this. I have safely overclocked to 200mhz @11.5 fsb

2) your bios crashing issue? that can be easily fixed if you have another (preferably duron) proc lying around (they're 20$ or so). just pop that in and it will reset the bios to default. another trick is to change the FSB jumper from 333/266 to 200mhz, power up the board, then power off and switch it back. I would also suggest you update to the latest BIOS revision as it seems to no longer have this problem.


If you have a revision 2.0 board, http://www.asus.com.tw/support/download/selectftp.aspx?l1_id=1&l2_id=10&l3_id=23&m_id=1&f_name=an8d1004.zip

If you have a revision 1.03, 1.04, and 1.06 only. http://www.asus.com.tw/support/download/selectftp.aspx?l1_id=1&l2_id=10&l3_id=23&m_id=1&f_name=an8d1004.zip
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't had any hard lockups, but I am using vanilla sources.. nothing else seems to run properly for me...

btw I overclocking my barton 2500+ (1.8ghz) to 2.4Ghz @ 200fsb (cas 3-2-2-2-T1)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweede wrote:
your bios crashing issue? that can be easily fixed if you have another (preferably duron) proc lying around (they're 20$ or so). just pop that in and it will reset the bios to default. another trick is to change the FSB jumper from 333/266 to 200mhz, power up the board, then power off and switch it back. I would also suggest you update to the latest BIOS revision as it seems to no longer have this problem.


I've tried both of those. I've also tried replacing the CMOS battery, resetting the bios with the jumper, I have the bus jumper set to 200, and I've used another processor. None of these help - the only way I can get the BIOS working again is to reflash it. Thankfully it hasn't happened much lately - it seems if I go to "Save settings without exiting", _then_ "Save and Exit", I seem to get away without a BIOS crash.

I'm still annoyed about the overclocking, however. I _can_ get the FSB up, as long as I put the memory on "auto" (where it runs it from about 120 - 150) - what annoys me is that my Epox board could run the memory at 175, while this board can't go beyond about 140 or so.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

change System Performance to 'User Defined' that will allow you to change the FSB setting.

Change CPU Freq Multiple Setting to user defined and you change change the CPU Multiplier.

be sure to update your BIOS.

taskara, what kind(brand, etc) of memory and Cooling do you have ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweede wrote:
taskara, what kind(brand, etc) of memory and Cooling do you have ?


memory is 2x512mb corsair pc3500 (234Mhz) XMS, running in 3-2-2-2 (cas 2)

cpu is barton 2500+, cooling is just a volcano 7+ on the lowest setting (so it's nice and "quiet"), and the cpu doesn't go over 50 degrees celcius.

I can get my fsb up to 230mhz on stock cooling, but has a few issues. I may get some slow case fans just to help push a little air through without lots of noise :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweede wrote:
change System Performance to 'User Defined' that will allow you to change the FSB setting.

:roll: I don't remember anyone asking or complaining about being unable to change the FSB. Did you read the posts here, or just answer secure in the knowledge that you know everything? I suspect the latter. Go back to Redhat :twisted:
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taskara wrote:
memory is 2x512mb corsair pc3500 (234Mhz) XMS, running in 3-2-2-2 (cas 2)

cpu is barton 2500+, cooling is just a volcano 7+ on the lowest setting (so it's nice and "quiet"), and the cpu doesn't go over 50 degrees celcius.

I can get my fsb up to 230mhz on stock cooling, but has a few issues. I may get some slow case fans just to help push a little air through without lots of noise :)


You can always go the watercooling route. Maybe I should get better memory - my 2x512 PC2100 works great at up to about CAS2 175 on an EpoX board, but doesn't work past 140 on this one. :(

BTW - I hear the new KT600 single channel edges out the dual channel nvidia board. The only problem is that by the time it's available, the Athlon64's will probably be showing up as well. :( I have to say, given my great experiences with VIA, and my wretched experiences with NVIDIA's closed-source, buggy binary drivers, I'd be much happier with the VIA one. But, then again, I made a bet with my co-worker that I wouldn't buy any new hardware for the rest of the year, so maybe I shouldn't even think about it ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i disables preemptive kernel and acpi. My system is still unstable. :(
Any more suggestion what i could do now?
Memory is ok, memtest didn't find any error.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jiriki wrote:
i disables preemptive kernel and acpi. My system is still unstable. :(
Any more suggestion what i could do now?
Memory is ok, memtest didn't find any error.


Have you tried running the prime95/mprime "torture test"?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i havn't triet prime yet...but should i test it with windows or linux? Because Linux is already unstable, should i try it in windows? If it also fails there, i REALLY know it can't be the hardware.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I solved some of my stability issues, by changing the processor in my kernel to use XP GCC>31. Fixed any issue that caused a hard lockup. Still having problems with opengl and my radeon though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, completely forgot about the xp gcc >31 setting in the kernel config. I'm just recompiling now to see if that helps. I've been ok for a bit using gentoo sources, but a couple of hours ago I had a hard lockup. Might have been heat related though (my office is about 180 right now :( ).

On the ACPI issue, could someone enlighten me as the difference between acpi and apm, and why I would want one vs the other? I have acpi compiled and acpid running, bu tno idea what to do with them? Will it automagically shutdown for me if I hit the power button or something (been meaning to try, haven't got around to it)? I don't really use power management for things like spinning down disks and whatnot, but I'd like to know what acpi (even in it's less than perfect state) will do for me.

Thanks all!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow, completely forgot about the xp gcc >31 setting in the kernel config. I'm just recompiling now to see if that helps. I've been ok for a bit using gentoo sources, but a couple of hours ago I had a hard lockup. Might have been heat related though (my office is about 180 right now :( ).

On the ACPI issue, could someone enlighten me as the difference between acpi and apm, and why I would want one vs the other? I have acpi compiled and acpid running, bu tno idea what to do with them? Will it automagically shutdown for me if I hit the power button or something (been meaning to try, haven't got around to it)? I don't really use power management for things like spinning down disks and whatnot, but I'd like to know what acpi (even in it's less than perfect state) will do for me.

Thanks all!


the only thing acpi has done for me is give me instability :( except on the vanilla sources.

tho the new 2.5.70 may help, and also 2.4.21-ac-rc7

apm is old style power managemtn, acpi uses the bios controller to administer power settings I believe..
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eziril wrote:
I solved some of my stability issues, by changing the processor in my kernel to use XP GCC>31. Fixed any issue that caused a hard lockup. Still having problems with opengl and my radeon though.


where is this option or how does one administer it?

my rig is still randomly locking up completely from time to time :-/
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's under "processor type and features", the third or so menu.
[img:26a9cc6dfd]http://www.penguinitis.com/images/cpukernelsetting.jpg[/img:26a9cc6dfd]
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taskara wrote:
it's under "processor type and features", the third or so menu.
[img:e7819b6d1a]http://www.penguinitis.com/images/cpukernelsetting.jpg[/img:e7819b6d1a]


so enabling that will help stability?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

according to eziril :) I think it will help :)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm running the xfs-sources 2.4.20-r3 on my A7N8X Deluxe (Rev. 2.00) without problems.
at kernel "Processor types and features" i only use: Machine Check Exception and MTRR support

i had problems with the Preemptile Kernel.... :cry:

Try to do a BIOS update - this may help. I had several random non definable errors (segentation faults...) with BIOS 1003 - now i use 1005.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry i forgot

at kernel "Processor types and features" i only use: Machine Check Exception and MTRR support

i also enabled "Symmetric multiprocessor support" - but i only have a single machine. if i uncheck this i get no bzImage :cry:
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