Is this a sign for things to come? [XMMS Removal]

wizkid · n00b Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 54

All the replacement apps have lots of nice features, accept the one I want

I guess I'm going to end up going back to cron to fire off my wake up music. I liked xmms, but over the years I've seen some bugs in it. I hope whatever I decide to replace it with ends up with an alarm function in it. I've seen talk on some of the lists for amok ane audicity (sp?) of alarm clock functions. To bad, I liked xmms. It's been mostly stable over the years for me.
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Corona688 · Veteran Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204

Cron strikes me as the 'correct' way to do it, especially with Audacity's "daemonize" option, which lets it run even without an active WM. A UI seems kind of superfluous when it's purpose is to sit there and wait...
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sugar · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:09 am Post subject:

Well, if there enough people that will want to see development on it, then they need to get off their backside and do something about it.

That being said, I uninstalled it off my lappy today. I had a tear in my eye. I remember starting it up and being so happy because it looked like the OLD winamp, before they expanded it. Winamp was great, and XMMS was great too.

I also uninstalled mplayer. It became unstable on my system, and I don't use it anymore. totem/xine does everything that xmms/mplayer used to do. I play music though mpd/ampache on my fileserver. Its so good its not funny.
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wizkid · n00b Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 54

Hmmm, I recently switched to totem too. I just put audiociy on my box. Haven't looked at the plugins., Hey I haven't even started it yet. I don't know if it works! I'll do that this weekend. I'm gonna be spending time around my screen anyway. The dam# web vserver won't compile anymore. I botched the gcc upgrade somehow

I can play with getting some sort of alarm working whilst watching emerge blab go by on the xterm.
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volkris · n00b Joined: 26 May 2002 Posts: 36

I suppose everything that could be said about the matter has been said, so I'll skip to the bigger picture:

It's really just another case of the gentoo devs being curiously out of touch with users and potential users, making weird decisions, and just generally projecting this sense that the Gentoo organization has some serious rot happening at it's core. We can see it in a daily basis on IRC and on mailing lists. It shows up often in responses to user submitted bugs and on this forum. The discussion in this thread captures a lot of the attitude that's so flat out wrong.

It's really an affliction that I, as an outsider, see a lot among "computer-type people." It's a particular point of view that leads to much self-martyrdom and best intentioned disservice to their users.

*sigh*

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Chaosite · Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject:

volkris · n00b Joined: 26 May 2002 Posts: 36

Chaosite · Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject:

defenderBG · l33t Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 817

xmms is great. dont remove it!

cromozon · Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject:

This is very sad, I recently 2-3 days ago found out that xmms is being dropped from portage, the arguments are all there but i still think its a shame, especially since i haven't seen any player which was as good as xmms, ( besides winamp, which even have the medialibary).

After haven read this thread, i decided to try this BMPx, I must admit I have never seen a worse player. now the question even is, how do I get rid off all that crap that i installed, I never used neither dbus or gstreamer before.

anyway, I have for some time wanted a new mediaplayer, as I really likes the medialibary feature.
now what i want is simple:
1) It would be nice if it was shadable like xmms/winamp
2) Must have something like "jump to file"
3) Must be able to handle > 6000 song in one playlist.
4) prefereable as lightweights as possible, I don't use GNOME or KDE and I don't have QT installed

now BMPx couldn't handle that many songs in the playlist and i wasn't shadable.
amarok is just to big

I don't care much about how the player looks.

So anyone any ideas, I don't wan't to install 'audacious', because i suspect that it have the same issues as BMPx, especialy with the playlist, correct me if im wrong, and if you know any good players, please let me know.

thx.

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Dralnu · Veteran Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1919

Nice to see a 5-page long thread that stayed on topic.

Anyways, what I've seen with all this is people are complaining about issues that others don't have. Unmaintained and buggy: I never had it crash ONCE one me when I used it. Before I used it, I tried several media players, but they all have so many feautres, they are pointless.

I use mplayer for videos, used xmms for media (mpd is the cloest I've found for a replacement of XMMS, and right now I'm looking for a tolerable GUI for it that I can also set up to work with me media keys, which was an easy task with XMMS), I don't need a library (I use something called directories and filenames), and the host of other default options that come with so many media players is just a waste of code: If you can put in a library and all the other useless features into a small footprint, maybe making a media PLAYER instead of Windows XP Media Edition for Linux would make for a rather small, hopefully fast, media player.

XMMS, like has be said, is unique: It was small, fast, and it did one job and did that job well: Play music. If you wanted more functions, you put in a plugin. The GUI was consistent, simple, and worked. You didn't have to skin it to get this: This was the default.

OT:
Someone said it before: There seems to be this idea in the devs heads that Gentoo it rotting at its core, and they are scrammbling to fix it. They seem, in general, to have this "If you don't like it, fix it yourself" attitude, without the thought that some people may be too busy to work with the code, or do what is needed to maintain software. Just because they are not able to do this, the devs really shouldn't say "Well, if you cann't and no one else will, f*** you and yours". Its rather annoying and honestly very counterproductive. If people wanted to maintain their own installs for everything, they would use LFS, not Gentoo (I started using Gentoo because I didn't have the time to mess with LFS). If there are so many problems, hardmask it and be done with it. Put into package.mask that it is undeveloped and unmaintained (devs don't support hardmasked packages anyways), and let those who want a media player, have a media player. Same goes for other programs: Hardmask it, and let it sit there for awhile.

Again, as someone else said (I'm saying this alot because I don't feel like scrolling back to look up names), *nix programs like cp are very, very old, unmaintained, but still used. Why? Because no one has seen a need to replace them. XMMS is old, unmaintained, but still used. Why? Because alot of people havn't seen anything that comes close to it.

Alot of people here seem to be bitching about the same things: Unmaintained, buggy, and uses old deps. Ok, so what? It works. Has for years. Hardmask it (which seems a very good middle ground anyways for software people use, but is still buggy), and leave it to the user to mess with. Someone wants to take a shot later on down the road to maintain it, fine, let them: Removing it seems a very quick, dirty answer to a question no one has been asking.
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volkris · n00b Joined: 26 May 2002 Posts: 36

Dralnu · Veteran Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1919

Status Quo, I don't think so, but I don't think the users want to see everything ripped out from under them. Some programs don't have old versions in portage (limewire being a good example), in which keeping the old one would be a nice addition (I don't know the specific reasoning to removing the older limewire, but it isn't a massive problem currently).

Improve, but don't destory. If there is a problem with something THAT IS SUPPORTED (hardmask isn't supported if I remember right), then fix it. If it isn't, tell them NICELY that they need to submit a patch to fix the issue.
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