Paludis support thread (current v. 0.14.3) - Part 1

zxy · Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject:

That's really just a workaround, not a solution. As good as paludis is, there must be a logical solution/explanation.

I'm sorry for ciaranm to be banned.

We need him in this thread a lot! I hope he's back soon.

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jordan83 · Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject:

zxy · Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject:

You can see the reasons here https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-522197-start-0-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html.

But we should stay on topic, so that we have more technicaly pure thread. Discussion on his ban should be discussed elsewhere. Probably Gentoo-Chat forum.

I wouldn't like to get this thread locked? :wink:

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Lloeki · Guru Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 437 Location: France

FWIW, I quit using paludis. it was a pleasant walk, but this comes to an end now that I made my opinion out of it.

why? well, because paludis brings me nothing more than portage gives me already.
if I was to go for another package manager, it would be more along the lines of pkgcore, but I feel like it's not ready yet.

so, farewell

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BlackEdder · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject:

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discomfitor · l33t Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 927 Location: None

I've found the package pruning in paludis to be FAR superior to that of portage. I ran it a week ago and removed over 300 packages. Portage had previously reported that there were no superfluous packages installed.

Overall though, there doesn't seem to be a significant gain from using paludis other than pruning and removing packages with dependencies, although I must confess that I do appreciate the speed gain from not having to load all the libraries every time I invoke emerge. At least, that's what I assume it's doing, correct me if I'm wrong.
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micr0c0sm · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:06 am Post subject:

As an end-user, the three main improvements I have noticed over portage are:

1. dependency resolution
2. overlay support
3. speed

The dependency resolution is amazing - I am no longer picky about trying out new programs, seeing as paludis -u --with-unused-dependencies actually removes 100% of the cruft.

Other notables is the configuration being really easy to adapt to, mainly due to the verbose warnings that help me determine exactly where things are mis-configured (and how to fix them). Casually looking at the documentation for developers, the hooks look really great for doing some neat administration tricks I have had in mind for a while.

This is just my experience using paludis exclusively for seven days, from a fresh install.

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truc · Advocate Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 3199

Lloeki

With overlays support, I think he (we) meant, real overlay support, from the 'syncing' part to the eclass/profile .. part you were just talking about.

I 'm not using paludis for the speed, even if with the cache thing which was added recently, the "speed gain" is real. I started using it, because I wanted to try something new, and I continue using it because of things like :

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jordan83 · Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:

I was wondering...

if I have some feature requests or some bug reports to submit to Paludis developers, should I post such things here or should I use the "berlios" interface?

I know some Paludis developers occasionally post here, maybe they can suggest the best "approach"...

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yoshi314 · l33t Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 850 Location: PL

paludis -pi tunepimp

jordan83 · Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject:

I tried (I had to put a couple of entries in keywords.conf) and this is the output:

floffe · Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject:

jordan: ask on #paludis on freenode before submitting bugreports etc. It's quite active.

yoshi: Yeah, something's strange in the tunepimp ebuild from the x-sabayon repo. Try disabling that (move the file from /etc/paludis/repositories to somewhere else).

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yoshi314 · l33t Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 850 Location: PL

wow, i didn't expect package.mask to contain such weird entry. previously paludis would bail out on other overlays, which was confusing like hell.

thanks for help.
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slycordinator · Advocate Joined: 31 Jan 2004 Posts: 3065 Location: Korea

So I used the script portage2paludis.bash and in my make.conf it has USE="-* [list of my USE flags]"

And now if I do anything with paludis I get:

micr0c0sm · Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:36 am Post subject:

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