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seventhguardian
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 Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: IE optimized CSS in THIS forum?? |
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Did any one notice that this LINUX forum uses a "fancy" CSS for M$ Internet Explorer?
Well, I did:
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<link rel="stylesheet" href="templates/gentoo/gentoo.css" type="text/css">
<style type="text/css">
/* Import the fancy styles for IE only (NS4.x doesn't use the @import function) */
@import url("templates/gentoo/formIE.css");
</style>
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I really don't know what to think of this. Yes, they are just a few lines of code, but still I'm a bit disapointed.
Why? First because this is a LINUX forum, and second because web pages should be optimized for STANDARD web browsers.. |
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IQgryn
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| If you look at the css file being imported, it's about 15 lines long. Also, I'm pretty sure it's only imported if you use IE to browse the forums. I don't see the issue. |
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seventhguardian
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| IQgryn wrote: | | If you look at the css file being imported, it's about 15 lines long. Also, I'm pretty sure it's only imported if you use IE to browse the forums. I don't see the issue. |
The issue is not bandwidth or technical in any way. It's just a matter of policy: why should IE be any different from other browsers?
The policy question becomes stronger if we consider the fact that the site is devoted to GNU/Linux. |
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IQgryn
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Ideally, IE wouldn't be different. Unfortunately, it is. While we don't support IE having the quirks it has, it won't make us look very good if the predominant browser can't render the site properly. Do you really think that someone visiting the forums from their Windows machine, using IE, is going to realize that it's IE's fault the site looks bad? I think it's much more likely they'll think something along the lines of "Those Gentoo (or Linux) guys don't know what they're doing! This site looks terrible!". |
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alienjon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Plus, whats to say that this is 'optimized' code? Maybe in IE (if someone tested it in there) something is displayed incorrectly and the import function (which only works in IE) is used there specifically to only load that into that browser. There are some things in CSS which are not standardized quite yet (just some certain settings that only one browser will support and others won't) |
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anello
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm quite often browsing this forum with IE when I'm at work and forced to use windows as my client most of the time, so why not!?!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| seventhguardian wrote: | The issue is ... just a matter of policy: why should IE be any different from other browsers?
The policy question becomes stronger if we consider the fact that the site is devoted to GNU/Linux. |
No, it doesn't. Please: | Code: | | umount /mnt/soapbox |
Tailoring styles to browsers helps any site present its content to the widest possible audience with minimum distortion. IE shouldn't be different, but it is, so why not adjust for it--or any other quirky browser? It's like supporting multiple languages: to broaden your audience, accommodate their needs.
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Please remember, too, that users trying to get help installing Gentoo may not already know of alternative browsers; so when they post their questions from Windows might be using IE. Also note that many of us may browse from school/work/etc where it's difficult or near impossible to use an alternative browser choice (unfortunate as that may be).
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| seventhguardian wrote: | | IQgryn wrote: | | If you look at the css file being imported, it's about 15 lines long. Also, I'm pretty sure it's only imported if you use IE to browse the forums. I don't see the issue. |
The issue is not bandwidth or technical in any way. It's just a matter of policy: why should IE be any different from other browsers?
The policy question becomes stronger if we consider the fact that the site is devoted to GNU/Linux. |
why not? While I use Gentoo at home and used Firefox, I also use XP at home with Firefox. BUT at work (when I can't be arsed.. ie now) I can only use IE
I fail to see the problem?
and as to why should IE be any different.. it is MS and they have a history of embrace and extend where the extend break compatablity with everything BUT their products
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Omega21
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It's good to support as much as possible, even if you have a dislike for the software.
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i92guboj
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To promote intolerance is not the way of this community. That is the only policy here. Tolerance and respect.
That some random company is intolerant of disrespectful to any other group does not mean that we have to put ourselves to their same level of inhumanity, does it? That little css snippet opens lots of doors, and is helpfull to thousands of persons each single day. It does not harm anyone either (no, it does not harm free software, don't go that way), so, to quote a random song "let it be". |
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