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| I'd prefere to use GTK instad of QT, as I use GNOME and I don't want to mess up with other widget library. |
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Is servant still alive? Looks like a great app!
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I just ran across this topic, grabbed the ebuild, and used it. I *really* like it. I like the system tray feature(wish porthole had it) and that you can stop/start/restart services from it.
That said, The one feature I would really like to see is integration so that you can edit the config files associated with it. Maybe I am asking for something different than what this program is supposed to be. If you have this, you can completely manage your gentoo-boxen with etc-proposals(GUI etc-update),porthole,and servant.
On the other hand, maybe I should propose this to the etc-proposals devs(as this is more config file related).
Keep up the great work 
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Hi there,
there have been requests to join etc-proposals and servant:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-543876.html
I think this would only make sense with etc-proposals as a plugin in servant, if at all. I guess, now that etc-proposals has a Qt4 right in the default version, I might ask what you think about that.
So, anyone interested?
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| zietbukuel wrote: | | I'd prefere to use GTK instad of QT, as I use GNOME and I don't want to mess up with other widget library. |
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Anyway nice idea. Maybe I wouldn't use it but anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: thanks for the feedback |
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Wow, I haven't been on this thread for a while, because I thought there would be no interest for servant. I had actually abandoned working on servant. The last feature I have added was the ability to create, modify and delete runlevels when I was on a trip to persia. Thank you for the feedback. I will start coding on it starting from next week. I have a few major plans to overhaul the user interface and make it more versatile. Again thanks for the feedback.
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| Samoth wrote: | I just ran across this topic, grabbed the ebuild, and used it. I *really* like it. I like the system tray feature(wish porthole had it) and that you can stop/start/restart services from it.
That said, The one feature I would really like to see is integration so that you can edit the config files associated with it. Maybe I am asking for something different than what this program is supposed to be. If you have this, you can completely manage your gentoo-boxen with etc-proposals(GUI etc-update),porthole,and servant.
On the other hand, maybe I should propose this to the etc-proposals devs(as this is more config file related).
Keep up the great work |
Easy to implement. But, what should the editor be like? Shall I write an own simple editor without many capabilities such as syntax highlighting, undo etc. that only lets the user change the text file and save it? This is done within half an hour of programming. It'd be better to use a graphical editor that is already available like kedit, gedit etc. but how should I find out what editor the user prefers? A preferences dialog maybe in conjunction with a mechanism to ask the user which editor he prefers the first time he tries to launch the editor? How can I find out what the default graphical editor on anyones system is? I guess, I'll try the first approach for now (a minimal editor built into servant) and see how it works out.
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Well, I am really Samoth(changed nickname to be the same as IRC).
I would prefer that it would be of a dark background, but that doesn't matter much. The syntax highlighting would be a major +, as I find it much easier to read syntax highlighted stuff. I use vim but I can easily see people from emacs using it(unless they integrate this into emacs  ) so I would leave it as a WYSIWIG.
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| momesana wrote: | | It'd be better to use a graphical editor that is already available like kedit, gedit etc. but how should I find out what editor the user prefers? |
$EDITOR should work just fine (you'll have to account for CLI editors though) |
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| Genone wrote: | | momesana wrote: | | It'd be better to use a graphical editor that is already available like kedit, gedit etc. but how should I find out what editor the user prefers? |
$EDITOR should work just fine (you'll have to account for CLI editors though) |
I thought $EDITOR only contains the CLI editors and there would be an extra variable somewhere describing the GUI editor.
Btw, I just finished moving to a new flat which is managed by the university. That means, I can start coding now. The editor function will be finished by the weekend. Then I'll turn to the wizard functions and use the Qt-4.3 facility classes for developing them replacing my own custom code.
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Please post the new ebuild as soon as its ready, Ive been using servant for a while and I really like it!!!
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I haven't used it yet, just came across it and poked at screenshots.
Here are two suggestions:
1 - If this is designed to be user-friendly to people new to Linux, then perhaps add descriptions for the services. Obviously it would be difficult to cover every possible service out there (like apache, ssh, etc.) but try to cover as many as the basic ones.
2 - Someone suggested quickly changing many services at once. The only way I think that would make sense is to have service profiles. Like a "Last known good configuration", "laptop battery mode", "gaming mode", "server mode - load apache, sql, etc"
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| enderandrew wrote: | I haven't used it yet, just came across it and poked at screenshots.
Here are two suggestions:
1 - If this is designed to be user-friendly to people new to Linux, then perhaps add descriptions for the services. Obviously it would be difficult to cover every possible service out there (like apache, ssh, etc.) but try to cover as many as the basic ones.
2 - Someone suggested quickly changing many services at once. The only way I think that would make sense is to have service profiles. Like a "Last known good configuration", "laptop battery mode", "gaming mode", "server mode - load apache, sql, etc" |
Hi,
about the first point: There is a service description for the services. The descriptions are located in an xml file. Unfortunately there is not much description in it yet. But its only a matter of writing the text. I'll take care of the rest. I've even set up a wiki page where people can add descriptions. Unfortunately there are no entries except the ones I've createde myself: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Talk:HOWTO_Manage_services_and_runlevels_via_a_modern_GUI . Ideally there would be a variable in every initscript itself and I've already proposed that on the gentoo forum but that ended in a flamewar: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-458248-highlight-momesana.html.
Regarding point two: There is already a mass-editing option included in the newest version. You just click on Tools > modify runlevel and then you can choose the runlevel and the associated services from a Listview. It's pretty simple. The Idea with profiles sounds interesting but maybe it would be more appropriate for a newly installed system. Every user has another configuration especially in the gentoo world. You may for example have a server but you wish to disable vsftpd and enable another ftp server instead. There is so much possibility that I am afraid the functionality would not be very useful. But it's not especially hard to implement. I would like to know what other people think of this idea.
Thanx for the feedback
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Well, the forums aren't the right place to discuss such ideas anyway, as I said in that thread it's more appropriate for gentoo-dev, or contact the baselayout devs directly. |
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| #gentoo-dev wrote: | <genone> UberLord: ever thought about descriptions in init scripts? (see https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4130478.html#4130478)
<UberLord> genone: not really. shouldn't the init script desribe itself as it starts and stops?
* UberLord will read that thread later
<genone> UberLord: the issue is about management apps
<UberLord> genone: oh right, so like a function
<UberLord> /etc/init.d/foo describe
<genone> yep
<UberLord> sounds like a good idea
<UberLord> maybe a link to an icon to - heh
<UberLord> genone: want to file a bug on that so I don't forget? |
Well, I don't really have a personal interest in that feature, you have, and I don't like to act as relay. So if you want a supported way to have descriptions in init scripts, you better file a bug 
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Well, I don't really have a personal interest in that feature, you have, and I don't like to act as relay. So if you want a supported way to have descriptions in init scripts, you better file a bug |
done! 
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184327
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I'll probably do something about the description in the next alpha of baselayout-2.
BTW, baselayout-2 ships with a C library that exposes functions to manage runlevels and services. Any "replacement" to rc-update and friends should either use this or our legacy bash functions and not touch the file system directly.
baselayout-2 is fairly stable right now, and it used by all our fbsd users and has little outstanding bugs now
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Shouldn't the "servant" be called a rc-update gui as far as I have read in this thread?. Or Am I wroGn?
AFAIK it is not a replacemet.
Anyway, /me is hardly waiting for baselayout-2 stuff. 
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| zxy wrote: | Shouldn't the "servant" be called a rc-update gui as far as I have read in this thread?. Or Am I wroGn?
AFAIK it is not a replacemet.
Anyway, /me is hardly waiting for baselayout-2 stuff. |
Not really. I've implemented the rc-update and rc-status functionality from scratch in C++ so its not really a gui for that. Yet the term "replacement" is also not very wisely worded since it was meant as a complementary application designed for newbies rather than a replacement for rc-update . Of course I read both scripts first and while realizing that the two shell scripts were pretty simple and they even didn't reuse each others code even though that was possible for most of the code I went on and implemented it myself (this information is probably more than outdated since that was more than a year ago ). The downside is that the gentoo-init infrastracture has made a lot of advancements lately. One of my friends pointed out to me that servant wouldn't take in account the "inactive" state of an initscript. That is to say, if e.g. the net.eth1 service is started but doesn't have a link it is shown as stopped in servant which is not really correct. The reason is that things like inactive didn't exist when I first wrote servant. ... I've got to take a closer look at the whole thing. Anyway, the "edit intiscript" feature is implemented now. Whoever likes to test it out can grab the ebuild and the tarball from the usual location http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~momesana/sys-apps/servant/ (its version 0.1.7). Compiles with Qt-4.2.* and Qt-4.3.0.
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| UberLord wrote: | I'll probably do something about the description in the next alpha of baselayout-2.
BTW, baselayout-2 ships with a C library that exposes functions to manage runlevels and services. Any "replacement" to rc-update and friends should either use this or our legacy bash functions and not touch the file system directly.
baselayout-2 is fairly stable right now, and it used by all our fbsd users and has little outstanding bugs now |
cool! I've really be waiting for something like that. Sounds really good and will heavily simplify the servant code. . I'm looking forward for its release.
thanx
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| momesana wrote: | | zxy wrote: | Shouldn't the "servant" be called a rc-update gui as far as I have read in this thread?. Or Am I wroGn?
AFAIK it is not a replacemet.
Anyway, /me is hardly waiting for baselayout-2 stuff. |
Not really. I've implemented the rc-update and rc-status functionality from scratch in C++. Of course I read both scripts first and while realizing that the two shell scripts were pretty simple and they even didn't reuse each others code even though that was possible for half of the code I went on and implemented it myself. The downside is that the gentoo-init infrastracture has made a lot of advancements lately. One of my friends pointed out to me that servant wouldn't take in account the "inactive" state of an initscript. That is to say, if e.g. the net.eth1 service is started but doesn't have a link it is shown as stopped in servant which is not really correct. The reason is that things like inactive didn't exist when I first wrote servant. ... I've got to take a closer look at the whole thing. Anyway, the "edit intiscript" feature is implemented now. Whoever likes to test it out can grab the ebuild and the tarball from the usual location http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~momesana/sys-apps/servant/ (its version 0.1.7). Compiles with Qt-4.2.* and Qt-4.3.0.
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So will there be also a C++ CLI version of servant? Because it sounds much better than a bash version.
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UberLord: sorry if I was uninformed. I really like that. Sounds more like einit now.
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| zxy wrote: | | So will there be also a C++ CLI version of servant? Because it sounds much better than a bash version. |
Well, its easy to implement. Actually I implented a very rudimentary CLI test class first to extensively test the functions before writing the GUI on top of it. But to be honest the bashscripts are more than sufficient. Nonetheless it is often not a good Idea to interface a C++ application with a bashscript and so back then I decided to implement the whole stuff as a C++ class with static function calls. Yet it seems like this all has been surpassed by the baselayout development.
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