winex-cvs gone!!!

isnogood · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 96

Isn't winex build on wine code? What happened to the GPL there? Oh well - if someone really needs that piece of crap he can always go p2p.

tolle · Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:37 pm Post subject:

exactly, if winex is based of ordinary wine that is licensed under the LGPL. Can they then change the license and make so that people isn't alowded to redistribute the code?

zhenlin · Veteran Joined: 09 Nov 2002 Posts: 1361

winex was based on the MIT/X11-licensed wine, so they can do as they please as long as the copyright notice is maintained.

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scrllock · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 14 Oct 2002 Posts: 102

After this, I'm completely fed up with transgaming. About 6 months or so ago, I paid for a subscription to transgaming, thinking it would be cool to play a few of my windows-only games in linux. By supporting transgaming, it lets game developers be lazy, and not port games to linux, since they can just say, oh, transgaming will do it.

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sessionID · Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:58 pm Post subject:

My question is only half-related, but I think it's a good place to ask (tell me and I'll delete the post..)

So, what is really needed for the game developers to make native ports of games?
A system/library like direct-x? Or maybe openGL (SDL, ...) already has the same power*?
Or maybe only the "will" to create linux/mac/etc versions?

So, basicly making native ports is more a technical or a financial [linux market too small] problem?

(* I'm not a coder

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RagManX · Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:20 pm Post subject:

Celtis · l33t Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 737

I was quite a big fan of WineX, I mean who doesn't want to play their favourite games under Linux, hell I thought that paying their fee was a lot better than having to boot to Windows all the time. This latest stunt from Transgaming, combined with the fact that they won't officially support SUBSCRIBERS on gentoo (what am I paying for then?) just shows the kind of company they are.

Subscription cancelled and any future bug fixes will be submitted to Wine rather than the non-crediting fools at TG...

ARGH! I'm off to play on some native games to calm me down :twisted:

R0B_IX · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 15 Jun 2003 Posts: 83

This is crazy. I am one of the unfortunate people who paid the fee to transgaming in order to play games (well, actually just sim city 3000 and war3) and was completely turned off by the idea. To be honest, winex never worked for me. I spent a few hours going through it with both games. I could never get simcity 3000 to install, and while war3 installed, it would completely lock up X as soon as I went to start a new game.

Most likely there are workarounds for all of the previously listed problems, but I see no reason why, if I pay money, that I should have to mess around with a program that is advertised as working (at least with war3). Furthermore, now that I have heard that regular wine supports war3, I am going to forget about winex altogether now. I hope that they decide to change their ways and contribute something back to the community as they promised (begging of track rant, please skip if you want to see my final point

). I actually remember reading in a linux mag, and on a few sites that transgaming's goal was to further game compatibility in linux. They claimed that they planned on releasing a lot of their changes and adding them to wine. Also, there goal was not to make money, but at the time, they needed money to help fund the project. Furthermore, after the number of subscribers reached a certain number (they had said they were getting close back then, but would not release the number) then they would release their software for free. Sadly greed has gotten the best of them. Another thing, their customer support is terrible. More often, questions appear to be completely ignored by the creators and answered by other subscribers. So, people are paying to provide tech support. That is just really sad.(end rant)

If they finally change, I will be happy to reconsider my opinion, otherwise, I couldn't care less if all of the computers with the winex source on it were fried and all was lost. Greed sucks.
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relyt · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:14 pm Post subject:

The cvs access was only set up for developer access and as a nice extra for those people who knew how to use cvs/compile it to try it out. When it became too easy, and anyone could obtain a free copy this way, their business couldn't support it.

This makes complete sense to me. If I was seeing hundreds of cvs updates for every one license purchased, I would wonder if it was worth it too.

kosamae · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:15 pm Post subject:

nephros · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:41 pm Post subject:

R0B_IX · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 15 Jun 2003 Posts: 83

Well, here is a stupid question. Let's say, hypotheticly, that I happen to have just found a copy of all of the ebuilds that used to be in portage from a server that must not be completely up to date. Would that ebuild still connect to the server and compile and all? I haven't looked at it, but I downloaded the entire wine-cvs directory, and it appears to have a complete set of valid ebuilds.

[edit]the reason why I don't just try it myself, is because I am leaving for the airport soon, and already have my laptop packed up.
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floam · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:42 pm Post subject:

ROB_IX: Why wouldn't it? It's just an ebuild that accesses the winex cvs repostitory. You would need to rename it to like winex-cvs-3001 (so the winex-3000 ebuild in Portage that just spits out a warning doesn't get used), manually specify the ECVS_MODULE in the ebuild, and put it in your overlay. Though note by doing this you are going against Transgaming's wishes and if many were to do this you could possibly ruin it for everyone who is actually contributing if cvs access were removed.
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Assgier · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:36 pm Post subject:

too bad it isn't free, i wish it was so easy using wine instead of winex, wine doesn't have DirectX-compatibilities, does it?

I tried WineX a few months ago but couldn't get anything to work, tried getting Red Alert 2 & Yuri's revenge to work but it kept asking for some dll's...
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floam · Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 12:02 am Post subject:

Assiger: Wine does have some Direct3D capabilites, as of a week ago or so I hear a few people got Max Payne to run on it, probably slower, but I'd like to see wine get better at games than winex someday, GPL'd and free and all happy :)
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orakari · n00b Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 3

Someone should submit an ebuild to http://www.breakmygentoo.net for posteriity

Peaceable Frood · Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:07 pm Post subject:

Someone should post a story on Slashdot about this. I'm sure its worth merit to post it. I would post a story, but all of my stories get rejected.
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fbreuer · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:36 pm Post subject:

I used to be a transgaming subscriber. Used to. Many games I try to run under winex simply don't, even though some of them are reported working in their database. With the rest: it takes me hours to get them running. So I boot Windows when I want to play - what else is that OS good for?

(I couldn't avoid getting windoze bundled with my laptop.)

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