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I know that wine can run IE6 pretty well.
But is there a way to download IE w/o having to install windows?
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Yea you could ... but for the love of everything scared & holy, DON'T!!!!!
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| MrUlterior wrote: | | Yea you could ... but for the love of everything scared & holy, DON'T!!!!! |
Sadly for web development you have to. On our site over 50% of the visitors still use IE6. Another 30% on IE7 and the rest are spread across Firefox, Safari and Opera.
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| Insanity5902 wrote: | | MrUlterior wrote: | | Yea you could ... but for the love of everything scared & holy, DON'T!!!!! |
Sadly for web development you have to. On our site over 50% of the visitors still use IE6. Another 30% on IE7 and the rest are spread across Firefox, Safari and Opera. |
Fine. I've done web dev before, I'm aware of this. But that was not my point. Above you're discussing installing an IE4 ebuild, that's pretty useless as any form of browser-usability test for a couple of reasons:
Firstly I doubt anyone considers IE4 a "supported browser" any more. IE5 has only a 1.7% share of the market, less even than Safari ... The combined share of other browsers for feb 2008 is a whopping 2% .. which means that between Konqueror, Seamonkey, Lynx, w3c, IE4, Netscape v*.* + miscellenaeous web robots .. you're probably talking about fractions of a percentage point here ... But you're welcome to come to that conclusion for yourself (source: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp)
So, let assume *you* mean IE6 or 7 and that you can get it to run on wine (which is what we're discussing and I reacted to .. ): With the mixing and matching of .DLL's required to get it working on WINE, can you guarantee that HTML rendering that results from this "hybrid" IE will bare *any* resemblence to the same version of IE running in "real" Windows? No of course you can't, so you've just added a futile and time expensive extra "step" in usability testing your site. If you believe it can, then I suggest you inspect the neccesary DLLOverrides during configuring WINE ....
So, in short, if usability testing is your concern, don't waste time with WINE; just install vmware server or Xen and have a non-persistent disk with every version of every OS + browser to your hearts content. At least then you've achieved what you set out to do 
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Thanks for the info.
While we're on the subject, is there a way to get IE 6 and 7 on the same machine at the same time?
Most windows machines around me have been updated. The nearest IE 6 machine is a decent walk away and it will probably have 7 soon
enough...
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| Quote: | | Above you're discussing installing an IE4 ebuild |
I think there's some confusion here, due to the package name. "ies4linux" is not ie4, it's ie5 or higher. I guess that 4 means "for" |
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Read the package name a bit closer or visit the site
ies4linux
as in IE's 4 Linux or IE's For Linux
It is IE 5, IE 5.5, IE 6 and IE 7 (in beta)
There are small issues with it running in wine that you don't get when running in native windows. But for a quick peak , it works great.
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| bobber205 wrote: | Thanks for the info.
While we're on the subject, is there a way to get IE 6 and 7 on the same machine at the same time?
Most windows machines around me have been updated. The nearest IE 6 machine is a decent walk away and it will probably have 7 soon
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you already had one way posted just before your question.
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So, in short, if usability testing is your concern, don't waste time with WINE; just install vmware server or Xen and have a non-persistent disk with every version of every OS + browser to your hearts content. At least then you've achieved what you set out to do |
If you dont feel upto installing vmware etc just make a small ntfs partition and do a fresh windoze*whatever installation there with whatever IE you want. I do this for testing.
You can install win2k on <2GB though you may need to reduce the swap file straight away (IIRC it fills all available disk space). Once you have a working config make a clone of the whole thing to a file on linux using dd (man dd  )
Here's the begining of my 23 partitions !
I use small fat32 as well but the system is completely contained in the first partition.
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Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
1 32.3kB 2155MB 2155MB primary ntfs boot
2 2155MB 4927MB 2772MB primary fat32
3 4927MB 4985MB 57.6MB primary ext3
4 4985MB 120GB 115GB extended
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If windows goes bad on you just restore you back up with one dd command and reboot.
Grub can handle any number of entries for windows so you can repeat the method for different versions.
| Code: | title win2k
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1 |
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If you're catering to demographics, make sure your site works in Firefox, then IE6, then IE7, then Opera. That's the correct order for this year; I'm sure IE7 will overtake IE6 in a bit, though...
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