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rlarkin
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| Quote: | | Gentoo is about customization. |
I remember when Gentoo was a "meta" distribution and these kinds of decisions weren't made for me (loved it). And while I get that this is not a split/monolithic thread, someone said "It's been discussed" , and I can't let that go.
It has not. It was "decided". I remember being invited to IRC by a kde dev to "discuss" - I was 100% ignored (as in the dev who invited me refused to reply to even one statement), that's not a discussion, and any threads here on the topic boil down to "It's the gentoo way!" (polite way to say 'devs choice!'). Whatever, fine, I'll either have time to maintain my own overlay or I won't, but please don't say it was "discussed" as if devs aren't just going to do what they want anyway. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| rlarkin wrote: |
I remember when Gentoo was a "meta" distribution and these kinds of decisions weren't made for me (loved it). And while I get that this is not a split/monolithic thread, someone said "It's been discussed" , and I can't let that go.
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'Meta' distribution does not in any way mean that it's You who decide how ebuilds are written and which ones will go into main tree. It means only that You get tools to build a very customized system.
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It has not. It was "decided".
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Are You one of gentoo devs to decide about that?
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I remember being invited to IRC by a kde dev to "discuss" - I was 100% ignored (as in the dev who invited me refused to reply to even one statement), that's not a discussion, and any threads here on the topic boil down to "It's the gentoo way!" (polite way to say 'devs choice!').
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Being invited does not mean that You get to decide, devs can do what ever they want, even ignore You. Don't like it, do Your own distribution and wait for people to start complaining like You do now. You can't make everyone happy.[/quote] |
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martin.k
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hi...
For all you having problems with kscd-9999 compile (linking) failures complaining about missing musicbrainz stuff... etc.
Solution is: comment LDFLAGS in your /etc/make.conf
I think that it's --as-needed flag which is the culprit here... but I'm not 100% sure.
I have here:
| Code: | | LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--hash-style=gnu -Wl,--sort-common -s" |
After commentig the above flags kscd-9999 emerged just fine.
gcc-4.3.1-r1
binutils 2.18.50.0.7
Maybe we should filter some ldflags in kscd-9999 ebuild ???
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| martin.k wrote: | Hi...
For all you having problems with kscd-9999 compile (linking) failures complaining about missing musicbrainz stuff... etc.
Solution is: comment LDFLAGS in your /etc/make.conf
I think that it's --as-needed flag which is the culprit here... but I'm not 100% sure.
I have here:
| Code: | | LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--hash-style=gnu -Wl,--sort-common -s" |
After commentig the above flags kscd-9999 emerged just fine.
gcc-4.3.1-r1
binutils 2.18.50.0.7
Maybe we should filter some ldflags in kscd-9999 ebuild ??? |
ah, ok,
so you're also suspecting --as-needed to screw up (some) packages ?
I observed that too & didn't knew if it was the ldflags or only due to their svn-nature
will re-compile kde approx. in a few days & let you know 
thanks
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| kernelOfTruth wrote: |
ah, ok,
so you're also suspecting --as-needed to screw up (some) packages ?
I observed that too & didn't knew if it was the ldflags or only due to their svn-nature
will re-compile kde approx. in a few days & let you know
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I'm not 100% sure if that is the case with other packages but it did the job with kscd-9999.
So I commented my ldflags just for kscd-9999 emerge time and then uncommented it again 
I thought that kde4 was --as-needed aware... But maybe there is some "ancient" stuff left
So... When emerge fails with ld errors the first thing I do is reemerge without fancy ldflags
Sometimes it works
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Hey, the new nvidia beta-drivers are out in official portage now (177.67), I just installed them.
I don't notice any difference in performance though, on my 7600gs. 
And the panel flickering with eclipse and other programms is also still there.
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| Bloodsurfer wrote: | Hey, the new nvidia beta-drivers are out in official portage now (177.67), I just installed them.
I don't notice any difference in performance though, on my 7600gs.
And the panel flickering with eclipse and other programms is also still there. |
.68 was released to rectify problems on the 6xxx and 7xxx series, also checkout the nv forum for some tweaks for xorg.conf etc |
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jonnevers
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| Quote: | Option "PixmapCacheSize" "1000000"
This option reserves a chunk of your GPU's video memory for fast pixmap allocation and greatly improves performance of any X application heavily relying on pixmap allocation. The PixmapCache size is measured in pixels; a pixel of PixmapCache uses a little more than 5 bytes of video memory, meaning a PixmapCacheSize of 1,000,000 will reserve a little under 5MB of video memory for pixmap allocation. Feel free to increase this size to get better performance, taking into account the amount of memory on your graphics card and the fact that this memory will be unavailable for OpenGL texture allocation at this point (we are planning to improve that limitation in a future driver release). Operations such as resizing windows using Compiz or the KDE4 compositing manager are known to benefit from setting this option to a high value. |
oh i'll definitely be checking it out. |
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here are the settings which worked out best for me (that way you'll don't have to wade through those dozens of posts  ):
those settings are for an dell xps m1330 + geforce 8400M GS
execute the following in X: | Code: | | nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1 |
this goes into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
| Quote: | Section "Device"
#VideoRam 131072
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
# Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
#Enable Underclocking
Identifier "GeForce 8400M GS"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "TripleBuffer" "false"
Option "RenderAccel" "true"
Option "RandRRotation" "true"
Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"
Option "OnDemandVBlankInterrupts" "True"
Option "NvAGP" "0"
Option "DamageEvents" "1"
## Option "BackingStore" "1"
Option "InitialPixmapPlacement" "2"
Option "PixmapCacheSize" "2000000"
# If you use render events, be sure to boot with the idle=poll option
Option "UseEvents" "False"
#VideoRam 262144
Option "DPMS" "TRUE"
Option "NoLogo" "1"
Option "AllowIndirectPixmaps" "false"
Option "AllowSHMPixmaps" "0"
## Workaround for ugly Qt bugs with recent nvidia drivers and compiz
Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true"
## Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "1"
Option "Coolbits" "1"
EndSection |
the bold emphasized settings were crucial in gaining a performance boost: AllowIndirectPixmaps can also be enabled (for those with >256 of graphics ram)
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| I just wondered, is there a program to play midi files in KDE4? Seems like kmid is gone... |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your tipps - well, I already had most of those tweaks in my xorg.conf, only one or two settings were new, and they don't make that much of a difference...
Well, at least it seems to be a little more stable now with the new drivers (less freezes).
Guess the waiting for better drivers is not over yet!
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Nuitari
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in kde4.1 in systemsettings -> advanced i haven't the button "file association"
why? which packet does install it?
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I have two issues (besides general slowness) and I'm wondering if anyone else has run into them or has a fix.
Switching to a desktop with an open konsole window is slower than switching to other desktops. If I minimize the konsole window, the switch speed is back to normal. I've only run into this with konsole.
Dolphin hangs if I try to change the view to details, columns or preview on network mounted shares only. It seems fine on local mounts. It also is fine if I use SMB to browse to the network share rather than actually have it mounted. This one is kind of bizarre. |
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Nuitari
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something similar:
dolphin crashes everytime i try to select one file (not directory, only files) simply passing through with mouse:
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nuipad@nuipad ~ $ dolphin
dolphin(11886) KLocalePrivate::initEncoding: Cannot resolve system encoding, defaulting to ISO 8859-1.
nuipad@nuipad ~ $ KCrash: Application 'dolphin' crashing...
sock_file=/home/nuipad/.kde/socket-nuipad/kdeinit4__0
kdeinit4: preparing to launch
Could not find '' executable.
KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Please fix the kmplayer:4.1 ebuild. It still refers to KDE 4.0 and because of this, it wants to pull the old kdelibs. |
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HeissFuss
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| Nuitari wrote: | something similar:
dolphin crashes everytime i try to select one file (not directory, only files) simply passing through with mouse:
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nuipad@nuipad ~ $ dolphin
dolphin(11886) KLocalePrivate::initEncoding: Cannot resolve system encoding, defaulting to ISO 8859-1.
nuipad@nuipad ~ $ KCrash: Application 'dolphin' crashing...
sock_file=/home/nuipad/.kde/socket-nuipad/kdeinit4__0
kdeinit4: preparing to launch
Could not find '' executable.
KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
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Did you build with strigi 0.5.10? I had to upgrade to strigi 0.5.11 before dolphin even ran correctly. |
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Nuitari
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| HeissFuss wrote: |
Did you build with strigi 0.5.10? I had to upgrade to strigi 0.5.11 before dolphin even ran correctly. |
yes
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I] app-misc/strigi
Available versions: (~)0.5.8 (~)0.5.9 (~)0.5.10 (~)0.5.11[1] **9999[1] {clucene dbus debug exiv2 fam hyperestraier inotify java log qt4 test}
Installed versions: 0.5.11[1](02:51:39 08/22/08)(clucene dbus qt4 -debug -exiv2 -fam -hyperestraier -inotify -log -test)
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but i've installed only it and with this use: clucene dbus qt4. Maybe i've to install also strigi-analyzer or strigi-applet?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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I've got a problem compiling plasma-workspace.
Sorry, I think I should have posted that here since this is that overlay's support. |
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shaumux
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Are you trying to compile the svn version or 4.1
SVN version tends to be broken sometimes. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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What exactly do I need to do for gtk-engines-kde4?
If I install gtk-kde4-theme it doesn't copy anything.
If I copy the qt4 dir inside /var/tmp/portage/x11-themes/gtk-kde4-theme-0.7/work/ to /usr/share/themes I get the qt4-theme in system settings -> appearance -> GTK style - but I still get the warning, that the qt4 style is not installed.
Also GTK-Apps look strange with the style applied :/ |
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