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timfreeman Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Wow, and about opteron vs. Intel..
here they've got a benchmark where its basic conclusion is that two opterons = four Itaniums, even without the Itanium's L3 cache.
But who here buys the top level CPUs anyhow? They are the ultimate, but do you really need them? I mean I WANT one, but that's totally different.. those prices are crazy. |
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kermitjunior Apprentice
Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Posts: 167
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 5:19 am Post subject: Operton ?!? |
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timfreeman wrote: |
But who here buys the top level CPUs anyhow? They are the ultimate, but do you really need them? I mean I WANT one, but that's totally different.. those prices are crazy. |
Um. MAYBE me. That MSI mobo is 550+ CPUs 300+300. So 1150 on the CPUs and mobo alone. 350 on RAM, 150 on Case. Basically, I could settle for my current 120 GB HDD and go for this Opteron setup. Only problem is it is new tech, so there might be some support issues.
Is Gentoo going to be able to utilize it is another question. Sometimes you just have to do things because their cool. I've got 2K to spend, so why not go all out. I can upgrade HDD at a later time.. not a huge problem now. In fact, it would be about when SATA is more common.
I'm starting to really consider this. Any suggestions from elsewhere? Risk of new verses stability of old...
Thanks for the Opteron info article. From my limited interpretive skills, it kicks everything else's butt. Muahhahahahahahaaaaa..... _________________ -----
Toshiba Satellite A15-S157, 2.2 Celery, 40GB, 512MB
AMD Athlon XP 1900+, 640MB PC2100, ABIT KG-7R
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timfreeman Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Sometimes you just have to do things because their cool. I've got 2K to spend, so why not go all out. I can upgrade HDD at a later time.. |
I didn't really add it up for your 2k limit in my mind: cool
from the Tyan specs:
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Integrated SATA RAID Controller (Mfg. option) Promise PDC20378 S-ATA RAID Accelerator
Two Serial ATA 1.0
One Parallel ATA-133/100 channels
Supports up to two SATA and two ATA-133/100 IDE drives
Supports IDE RAID 0, 1, 0+1
Supports 48-bit LBA for drives larger than 128GB Connected to legacy 32-bit 33MHz PCI bus
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or now what about SCSI .. RAID 0 with two SCSI drives? muaha
with the dual GigEthernet that motherboard kicks ass too, damn!
I'm thinking ... how much credit card debt could I accrue for how long .. ehehe. Nah, the Athlons are on their way..
But with your 2k, go for it.. you want the shit, here's the shit.
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oh, one more thing, perhaps you missed one of the
recent Gentoo newsletters
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http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030512-newsletter.xml
Quote: | Gentoo Technologies to partner with Super Computer, Inc. to bring Gentoo Linux to the Opteron and other enterprise platforms
We're pleased to announce that Super Computer, Inc. (SCI) will be helping the Gentoo Linux development team to create a 64-bit version of Gentoo Linux for the AMD Opteron processor. SCI will initiate this relationship by providing the Gentoo Linux development team with a dual Opteron workstation as well as any other assistance required to officially support for the AMD Opteron platform.
In cooperation with RackSaver, SCI will arrange for early access to future enterprise-class hardware. RackSaver has joined SCI in its efforts to support the continued development of Gentoo Linux into an enterprise-level operating system. |
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kermitjunior Apprentice
Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Posts: 167
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 4:51 pm Post subject: Tyan Mobo |
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Yeah, I really like the Tyan Opteron Mobo. I can add the SATA at later time without difficulty.
I know that Opteron support is coming for Gentoo, but it shouldn'thave any trouble compiling the normal, should it since the Opteron is 32 bit compatible?
I don't want order it and not be able to install gentoo. Also, do you think I'd be able to install Win98SE on a dual Opteron system? I know it would only see one processor, but I trouble shoot my mom's computer from here a lot.
Has anyone seen any good deals on a prebuilt opteron system that can beat piecemealing it together?
Thanks,
KJ _________________ -----
Toshiba Satellite A15-S157, 2.2 Celery, 40GB, 512MB
AMD Athlon XP 1900+, 640MB PC2100, ABIT KG-7R
IBM 120GB (Linux), WD 30GB (WinDoze), ATI All-In-Wonder 128 Pro PCI |
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timfreeman Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | but it shouldn'thave any trouble compiling the normal, should it since the Opteron is 32 bit compatible? |
yeah, looks like it -- this is from a cool article (with benchmarks..)
Quote: | "Depending which bits are set in the LME register, the processor works in one of the operation modes depicted here. This ensures backwards compatibility, which is one of the biggest advantages of AMD's 'AMD64' architecture over Intel's 'IA64'. " |
Quote: | "Compatibility for existing x86 software is going to be the main mantra for AMD. This will save developers and companies money, especially in the business sector. Migrating to 64-bit can therefore take place gradually and only as required." |
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timfreeman Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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I can't seem to find a good dual amd motherboard that supports a 333 FSB... ?? (which is what the fast/512cache bartons run with)
*EDIT: MSI K7D Master-L -- the previous link to the barton hack says that this board will run the bartons ... but the specs only say 266 FSB.
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Yarrick Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Jun 2002 Posts: 304 Location: Malmö, Sweden
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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the dual chipsets dont support 333 bus. the official barton mp has a 266 bus, and if you mod a barton you have to fix the multiplyer yourself and run with 266.. |
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timfreeman Tux's lil' helper
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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thanks! -- I just looked over the tutorial for this info -- and there it is --
RTFM ack...
thanks
Quote: | We know that all the Barton cores are made for 333MHz FSB systems and their multipliers were set to run at its predefined frequency. If you put a Barton processor in older motherboards supporting up to 266MHz FSB, you'll probably get a severely underclocked processor and that's probably what will happen if you have the Barton XP running in an AMD 760MPX motherboard.
Naturally, the next logical step is to modify the Barton XP's multiplier. Since most server boards based on the AMD 760MPX chipset has no multiplier adjustments for anything more than 12.5x (at least for the MSI K7D Master), we'll have no choice but to hardwire the multipliers ourselves. OK, here are a few rules which we should observe :- |
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DaJoker n00b
Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 6 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 6:53 pm Post subject: Asus A7M 266-D |
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I happen to have the A7M266-D with dual 1800MP's (512MB) and it is very nice. It more-than doubles the speed of my dual PIII 1000 (TYAN 2507D mobo) computer (1024MB) either because of it being Athlon or having faster (although less) RAM. Anyway, I have not had problems with it. I have not tried out the USB on it, but it does have 2 64-bit PCI cards which is really nice, and the BIOS is very nice. As for your plan of quiet yet fast, I do not think that's the greatest idea with a Dual Athlon system...Athlons run hot. Between my Athlons and my 10000-RPM hard drive I do not use a heater in the winter (it gets cold here) at all. Sure, there are two more computers helping, but I leave my window open when it is blizzarding outside to compensate. Anyway, good luck. I like my board.
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DaJoker n00b
Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 6 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 6:53 pm Post subject: Asus A7M 266-D |
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I happen to have the A7M266-D with dual 1800MP's (512MB) and it is very nice. It more-than doubles the speed of my dual PIII 1000 (TYAN 2507D mobo) computer (1024MB) either because of it being Athlon or having faster (although less) RAM. Anyway, I have not had problems with it. I have not tried out the USB on it, but it does have 2 64-bit PCI cards which is really nice, and the BIOS is very nice. As for your plan of quiet yet fast, I do not think that's the greatest idea with a Dual Athlon system...Athlons run hot. Between my Athlons and my 10000-RPM hard drive I do not use a heater in the winter (it gets cold here) at all. Sure, there are two more computers helping, but I leave my window open when it is blizzarding outside to compensate. Anyway, good luck. I like my board.
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timfreeman Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Well, I'm up and running here. I have basically decided to switch out my motherboard on the main comp with the new dual CPUs. Pretty damn zippy. And I tried doing as much stuff at once as I could in Windows and Gentoo and I LIKE IT. If not for speed of compiling and rendering, two CPUs are sweet for never lagging.
Are you going to go for the opterons?
Quote: | As for your plan of quiet yet fast, I do not think that's the greatest idea with a Dual Athlon system |
Two athlons here.. Panaflos for everything including the CPUs (with Thermalright 800 heatsinks). It's significantly more quiet than my old setup (not fanatically quiet, that's for the server) -- and definitely not hot. |
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mark Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 04 Jun 2002 Posts: 119
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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So KJ,
What was it Dual Opterons or MP's. I'm kind of in the same place as you were. My current system only boots sometimes and I'm wondering whether to get a cheaper MP (maybe modded XP) dually or hold out for an Opteron. For Opteron I'd probably be better off giving it a few months.
If I get the MP mobo I could probably go for a Raptor or two. Of course I'd also need a serial ata board to run them off as the msi k7d mobo doesnt support SATA.
Curreently I have 2 933 piii's and would be looking for much faster compile times out of any new hardware. Comon sense says go for MP but the Opterons sure are cool
I'm a little concerned about temps as my room is in a loft and can get very hot in summer
Mark _________________ Regards
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NicholasDWolfwood Apprentice
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timfreeman Tux's lil' helper
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 12:38 am Post subject: |
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I have that gigabyte motherboard, and it's stable (don't know about with the modded XPs .. I was going to do that but chickened out. Now I regret it). Since June, in a weird turn of events I've made it my server.
mark, my setup is quiet and it is not hot at all after rigging up an air tunnel that brings air in right to the cpus.
Beware the gigabyte board, though, I had a bitch of a time with 2.4 and 2.6 kernels until I switched to USB mice/keyboard. There was some interrupt mapping problem with ps/2 (some other people have had it). Now that it is my server it doesn't matter at all. It's bitchin. But go for the Tyan if you can.
(Also, I've heard of raid problems, but I don't raid).
And that extra XP-cache will be noticed I hear (though I've personally never once thought anything was going slowly). |
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mark Tux's lil' helper
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:21 am Post subject: |
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timfreeman
I was actuall swaying toward the msi k7d Master L. I can get it about £150.00.
Shame to hear about the raid issues. I'll have to do a search.
Mark _________________ Regards
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Vagabond Apprentice
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Like DaJoker, I have an Asus A7m266-D but with with dual 1900MPs and 1 gig ram, I recently upped the ram amount and put in a Radeon 9800 pro 256 meg video card and I really get great performance out of this machine, however it requires a pair of huge heatsinks and noisy fans to keep the cpus in the mid to high forties (celcius) and the mobo has power requirements of over 400W. My system also requires EEC registered RAM if I want to have more them 2 chips in the machine.
When this machine gets too old (might take a while) I'd definitely water cool the next one because of the noise and the dust that accumulates in the case.
Overall I prefer a dual CPU system to a single CPU system, it multitasks a log better and can compile quickly (important for gentoo ) and I'll probably get a dual cpu machine whenever this one get retired.
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d_adams Apprentice
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:12 pm Post subject: go with the opterons |
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Just bought the MSI Master-2 FAR (the agp slot one) and haven't even compiled 64 bit on it yet, but 32 bit is considerably faster.
Seti on my old mp 2200's box versus a pair of 240's
old box wu time 4 hrs 30 min (roughly, in win2k with graphics)
new box wu time 3 hrs 30 min (in win2k, with graphics)
new box wu time 2 hrs 50 min (in win2k, without graphics)
new box wu time 1 hr 50 min (in linux, without graphics)
Not exact times, but rough estimates except for the linux time. All of this was completed in a 32 bit environment with nothing running except system processes in the background.
Anybody that might be considering opterons, any time is a good time. These things flat out cook.
Total cost for the board, cpu, and memory was about $900 shipped and other than a ECC memory problem, this setup has been pretty much exactly what I wanted. It's capable of crunching the data, compiles faster than anything I've ever built and can do gaming as well. _________________ http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=16196755 click me for cheap linux based web hosting. |
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sneakerski Apprentice
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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d_adams - how is that board? have you been able to get agpgart to work for it? what about ide performance? i'm really looking into it (dual opteron mobo with agp for 220 bucks is really nice). course, i'm thinking i get one 244 now and another when i've got a bit more cash. |
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d_adams Apprentice
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | have you been able to get agpgart to work for it? what about ide performance? |
I haven't done much in the line of benchmarks other than seti, because I was more interested in the cpu speed, but so far, everything works in suse 9 and win2k. I've been a little busy with video encoding lately (family vacation stuff) so I haven't had a lot of time to play with it yet. MSI doesn't show much in the line of driver support for this board yet, although it all seems to work without crashing or having any problems. No 64 bit compile on it yet, so we'll see how it goes when that's done. I've only had the board for a week and a half and the first set of ram I got was somewhat corrupt. The replacement should be in sometime this week. _________________ http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=16196755 click me for cheap linux based web hosting. |
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MADcow l33t
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 742 Location: RIT (Henrietta, New York, United States)
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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i run a dual MP 2600 machine. it's the best desktop you'll ever get.
mine ran around 1300...
i'm using two thermaltake volcano 12's
http://store.yahoo.com/xoxide/thvo12.html
and a thermaltake Xaser III
http://xoxide.com/thxaiiiv2.html
it's loud, but the case has a hardcano to turn down the RPM of the case fans, and the volcano's have excelent speed control features (auto, full, manual), so you can make it very quiet, or very loud.
DO NOT use the stock coolers. when i got my volcano's, i dropped my cpu temps by about 20 C. that's a lot.
(no, i didn't read any post except for the parent. sue me.) |
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jeffbuttars Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 23 May 2003 Posts: 79 Location: Boise, ID
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: I've got one of those! |
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I built a similar machine to what you'r looking for.
Tyan S2466N-4M, dual MP's at 2400, 512 ECC Registered Mem, nVidia Ti4200, 40GB seagate, 120GB seagate.
I use a full size tower and space is not a problem, but I do recommend rounded IDE cables or SATA, I makes the thing a lot easier to deal with.
Noise:
My machine makes my room sound like an airport.
Be very choosy about your CPU fans. Also, you should go for the MP CPU's. The MPs are actually higher performing chips that are scaled back a bit so they can run cooler than they would at there original clock speed and are more stable. This means you can use slower fans == quieter. Learn from my mistake, seriously research your CPU fans and go as quiet as you can since there will be 2 of them. My second largest source of noise is my power supply fans.
Other than the noise, an SMP setup is a rockstar for Gentoo. Except for really big packages, KDE, OpenOffice, etc. things install really quick( make -j3 ).
Caveat:
I was never able to compile my kernel or X using the march=athlon-mp or march=athlon compiler flags under the 2.4.x kernel series with out suffering a complete system lockup under heavy loads after a seemingly random amount of time. When your running 2.4.x compile the kernel and X against one of the pentium class arch's. NOTE: this problem dissapeared in 2.6.x.
Also, I never got the onboard NIC to work, even during a brief windows install( solely for acedemics). |
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timfreeman Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I couldn't agree more. There are a lot of things you can do to make your computer less noisy or even completely silent (moving parts-less.. heh).
check out this thread, I posted some links there, it's really worth the extra money in my opinion:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=102305 _________________ ||| |
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Ravaa n00b
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:24 am Post subject: |
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are serial ata drives faster than the 15k rpm scsi's? |
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Snake007uk Apprentice
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 198 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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ok this is what i have
2 * AMD 2800+ MP (Barton core)
1 gig pc2100 ram
ASUS A7M266-D MB
Intel SRCU31A Raid Controller
2 x ATLAS 10k2 10krpm u160 drives
ATI Radeon 9600 pro
Creative Audigy 2 ZS
Intel NIC
SONY DRU 500a
2 * iiyama 4637BK Dual DVI inputs (built in USB hub)
AND YES ITS!!!!!!! FAST!!!!!!!! ill give you an example
i emerged, xfree, gnome, xchat, samba, java, Gnome-VFS, evolution, Gaim, xmms, totem, k3b, netbeans, ttf-bitstream-vera, epiphany, nfs-utils, screen. ALL with 5 hours!!!!
also i did
Emerge -e world and recompiled everything in my system under 5/6 hours _________________ Snake
Dual AMD MP 2800+, Asus A7M266-D, 1GB Ram, 18.1GB u160 HD, ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, Creative Audigy ZS, Intel SRCU31A, Linksys NIC, iiyama 18.1 4637bk lcd |
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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you lucky lucky b*stard... _________________ 95% of all computer errors occur between chair and keyboard (TM)
"One World, One web, One program" - Microsoft Promo ad.
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