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redwold n00b
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John R. Graham Administrator
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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You want to look at the Gentoo installer ?
Look in the bathroom mirror _________________ Regards,
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wim-x Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 110 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds as a nice tool for Gentoo spinoffs. I'd really like a Gentoo-based netbook distro |
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redwold n00b
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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NeddySeagoon wrote: | You want to look at the Gentoo installer ?
Look in the bathroom mirror |
It may be good for those who wants to get a bash install in a very little time .
or may be for some emergency case .
i cant think any other use of an installer(for gentoo) _________________ Iove linux |
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rh1 Guru
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | You want to look at the Gentoo installer ?
Look in the bathroom mirror |
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Gentoo doesn't need an installer. That's what the handbook and the keyboard are for. |
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redwold n00b
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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i doubt about this lines
Quote: | It's not included on an official Live DVD just yet, but it just might next release. |
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gerard27 Advocate
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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This "installer" will get you Sabayon instead of Gentoo.
Thanks but not as long as I live.
Tried Sabayon twice: CRAP!
Gerard. _________________ To install Gentoo I use sysrescuecd.Based on Gentoo,has firefox to browse Gentoo docs and mc to browse (and edit) files.
The same disk can be used for 32 and 64 bit installs.
You can follow the Handbook verbatim.
http://www.sysresccd.org/Download |
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Kollin Veteran
Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 1139 Location: Sofia/Bulgaria
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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I would like that.
Last time i used gentoo installer ( in 2008 i think ), I found it very useful for partitioning, formatting, and mounting the new partitions on their mount points. After that i'm going in console (for extracting and chrooting).
I used 2008 installer few times to repair my system, it's just more convenient for me to mount my 14 partitions with a graphical tool _________________ "Dear Enemy: may the Lord hate you and all your kind, may you be turned orange in hue, and may your head fall off at an awkward moment."
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dol-sen Retired Dev
Joined: 30 Jun 2002 Posts: 2805 Location: Richmond, BC, Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:34 am Post subject: |
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The installer is one of the projects from this years GSOC.
And it does not install Sabayon. It is a Gentoo installer, it installs via portage, ebuilds and sources. _________________ Brian
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disi Veteran
Joined: 28 Nov 2003 Posts: 1354 Location: Out There ...
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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dol-sen wrote: | The installer is one of the projects from this years GSOC.
And it does not install Sabayon. It is a Gentoo installer, it installs via portage, ebuilds and sources. |
Since it is a GUI thing, are there any screenshots where one can see options or something?
Installation looks easy enough:
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/anaconda.git;a=blob;f=docs/install.txt;h=4a4b30342d7555f14483934cbf032b3a92319367;hb=HEAD
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1 ******************************
2 * Gentoo Anaconda port *
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5 Installing Anaconda
6 by wiktor w brodlo <wiktor@brodlo.net>
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8 This file describes how to install Anaconda on a Gentoo system, like the Gentoo
9 LiveDVD. It does NOT describe how to install Gentoo using Anaconda.
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11 First of all, you will need roughly 500 MB of space for all the dependencies and
12 such. Anaconda depends on various libraries and other packages.
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14 As root:
15 1. cd /
16 2. git clone git://git.overlays.gentoo.org/proj/anaconda-overlay.git
17 3. Add /anaconda-overlay to your PORTDIR_OVERLAY
18 NOTICE: The overlay MUST be in /anaconda-overlay.
19 4. emerge anaconda --autounmask-write
20 5. Update your configs (e.g. etc-update).
21 6. emerge anaconda
22 7. Go for a tea or something ;-)
23 8. Enjoy. |
Code: | catalyst -s `date +%Y%m%d` | would that include overlays (catalyst noob)? _________________ Gentoo on Uptime Project - Larry is a cow |
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redwold n00b
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | This file describes how to install Anaconda on a Gentoo system, like the Gentoo LiveDVD.
It does NOT describe how to install Gentoo using Anaconda |
if someone cant install gentoo using anaconda , then why he waste his time to add anaconda to dvd . _________________ Iove linux |
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gerard27 Advocate
Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Posts: 2377 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:28 am Post subject: |
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The ostatic link is dead now.
But I remember that it said it would install sabayon binaries to speed things up.
Then later you could do emerge world to compile things for your machine.
If you belong to the "click,click,done" crowd go ahead.
Gerard. _________________ To install Gentoo I use sysrescuecd.Based on Gentoo,has firefox to browse Gentoo docs and mc to browse (and edit) files.
The same disk can be used for 32 and 64 bit installs.
You can follow the Handbook verbatim.
http://www.sysresccd.org/Download |
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avx Advocate
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 2152
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | It is a Gentoo installer, it installs via portage, ebuilds and sources | And it'll install what? Stage3? Stage3+X11? KDE/GNOME/XFCE/$WM? Apache/$SQL/$LANG?
If it uses default C/LD/USE-Flags, which one is too lazy too change, there goes the optimization/individualization, so what's the point, why not just use Fedora or something like that?
On the other hand, if it'll support something like RH's kickstart with user defined profiles, that may be helpfull. _________________ ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. |
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dol-sen Retired Dev
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:41 am Post subject: |
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to answer some questions: installing-gentoo.txt
So, yes, it lets you edit and set your make.conf, select mirrors, etc. It downloads a fresh stage3,... It mostly follows the handbook. _________________ Brian
Porthole, the Portage GUI frontend irc@freenode: #gentoo-guis, #porthole, Blog
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nankura n00b
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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i really like this idea. as i said in one of my previous posts. i appreciate after using arch and soon i will attempt a gentoo install stage 3 to learn. gentoo's way of life and doing things with cli etc
But alot of people could use this idea for quicker installations, and as an introduction to gentoo without the cli area.
like, even archlinux these days with a netinstall. or even normal has 95% of packages installable/selectable from a menu that are needed to get to a graphical interface. all you really do is add a user and setup X.Org + a phew config edits, now its not the prettiest gui, but its not cli
or u can do it all via command lines if you wish
Basically what im saying is id love to see this anaconda option as an official addition to the gentoo livedvd. or someone dishing out an iso with this preinstalled
Or. people can choose the minimal and do it the normal way
Giving choice is the next big thing in the linux world |
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stratman4300 Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Michigan, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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My opinion is the same opinion I have for most GUIish/hand-holding alternatives. If it enhances usability without sacrificing functionality, I'd at least be interested in seeing it in action. _________________ Stratman4300
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." |
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Fitzcarraldo Advocate
Joined: 30 Aug 2008 Posts: 2038 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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dol-sen wrote: | to answer some questions: installing-gentoo.txt
So, yes, it lets you edit and set your make.conf, select mirrors, etc. It downloads a fresh stage3,... It mostly follows the handbook. |
What does it do about the kernel, though? Display the menuconfig menu and just let the user configure what (s)he wants? _________________ Clevo W230SS: amd64, VIDEO_CARDS="intel modesetting nvidia".
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Thistled Guru
Joined: 06 Jan 2011 Posts: 572 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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NeddySeagoon wrote: | You want to look at the Gentoo installer ?
Look in the bathroom mirror |
As we like to say in Scotland, point yer een tae the bog mirror, and hae a guid look. _________________ Whatever you do, do it properly! |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thistled,
:) I'm in Scotland too.
I chose my words for the international readership of the forums. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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Thistled Guru
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hey NeddySeagoon,
I chose my words because I do a little astronomy, and established where you are in the world.
Batten down the hatches for the tail end of Hurricane Katia (which hits us Monday) because we need you on these forums sir! _________________ Whatever you do, do it properly! |
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AllenJB Veteran
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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I suspect this project is unlikely to be included on the official media for the same reasons the last installer project died - no one will be interested enough to maintain it in the long term and no one will be interested in supporting users who aren't interested in performing a handbook install. |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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AllenJB,
I'm a little more confident that the installer could make the official media but when it breaks, I think the support response will be to do the handbook install simply because picking up the pieces of an automatic install, even one building from sources will still be difficult.
All the long term helpers on the forums are accustomed to handbook installs and common pitfalls. That body of knowledge exists and will not be completely transferable to the Anaconda based installer.
I will play with the installer in a VM when its around. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
Computer users fall into two groups:-
those that do backups
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krinn Watchman
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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i think the problem won't comes from the installer itself, previous one was buggy, but it has work for many users, but the real problem is that IT HAS work for them where they should had never install that distro.
A nice gentoo installer will target at having users blindly click [next] and end with a fresh gentoo.
But what can we do when they try to maintain it with 0 knowledge of linux ? Because you won't have a program where they can hit [next] and their problem are gone.
It's something to help users install their distro, it's something else to see : "where i type that?", "in console", "where is console?"
Giving gentoo to the mass is promoting gentoo, that's great ! But alas, this will also gave users a bad feeling about it, because no, they will never be able to use it by just hit [next] button and they will get mad at trying. That's what the installer will falsely tell them. And that's what the handbook is really telling them : not that hard, but you need a minimum linux knowledge. |
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pjp Administrator
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hopefully it works well.
I've spent some time trying to get a former(?) dev's install script working (quickstart), but things did not go well. I believe I can get it to work, but it'll take some time.
IMO, Gentoo really needs an unattended install method. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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