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What's your status about LiveDVD? |
I made it myself and use it (can you share it for us?) |
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2% |
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I downloaded it (URL please!) |
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1% |
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It is impossible (explain, please) |
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1% |
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It might be possible, but it'd be useless (explain, why) |
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15% |
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I want it too! |
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80% |
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Total Votes : 90 |
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axxackall l33t
Joined: 06 Nov 2002 Posts: 651 Location: Toronto, Ontario, 3rd Rock From Sun
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject: LiveDVD |
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LiveCD is excelent to begin installation, or to fix some problems. But the volume is limited by 700MB - not musch to keep tools, no need to mention distfiles.
On the other hand DVD can keep up to 4.7GB - enough to keep all distfiles and most of binary-precompiled packages too.
So, where are we with Gentoo LiveDVD? Has anyone tried it yet? Is it possible at all? _________________ "Lisp is a programmable programming language." - John Foderaro, CACM, September 1991 |
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Ian l33t
Joined: 28 Oct 2002 Posts: 834 Location: Somerville, MA
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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That's a long download...
In all seriousness though, if someone was to make it and throw it up on the gentoo store along with the LiveCDs, I'm sure people would buy it. |
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gsfgf Veteran
Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 1266
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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i don't think that any of the livecds aree full, so until GRP gets a lot more pkgs a livedvd isn't necessary. _________________ Aim:gsfgf0 |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54421 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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You can get about 2Gb on a CD with the compressed loop filesystem, like Knoppix does.
A single Gentoo DVD is possible but DVDs are more expensive to produce, so its not good value for money. There are also at least two incompatible standards of DVD DIY, so it would have to be a mastered silver disk.
Ask LinuxFormat to give it away as a cover mount - Bootable Gentoo DVD. They have don it with other distros. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
Computer users fall into two groups:-
those that do backups
those that have never had a hard drive fail. |
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wolvenwraith n00b
Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 67 Location: Someplace, Somewhere
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I just realized I voted wrong. I have a bootable Gentoo LiveDVD (an old one, but nevertheless I have one) from one of the old linux magazines. I believe it was linux format, and I probably still have it around somewhere. |
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axxackall l33t
Joined: 06 Nov 2002 Posts: 651 Location: Toronto, Ontario, 3rd Rock From Sun
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:41 am Post subject: |
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if it IS possible, does anyone know a procedure how to make my own bootable DVD? _________________ "Lisp is a programmable programming language." - John Foderaro, CACM, September 1991 |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54421 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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axxackall,
The iso9660 filesystem doesn't break until the volume size gets to 4Gb, then it starts to fracture rather than die. You can have files past this limit but not directories. Luckly, directories are all grouped at the start of the session (or disk, if its a single session disk)
Make yourself a boot floopy image file, collect together all the files you want on CD/DVD, put it together in the right order with the right names and give it a go.
I recommend RW media until you get it right _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
Computer users fall into two groups:-
those that do backups
those that have never had a hard drive fail. |
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ewan.paton Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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axxackall wrote: | if it IS possible, does anyone know a procedure how to make my own bootable DVD? |
wouldnt the catalyst stuff the developers are working on be perfect for this
personaly i cant see the point of 4,7 gigs of programs to run in ram knoppix like cds are fine for error recovery, newbies trying it out etc but harddisks are cheap and the performance is so much better _________________ Giay tay nam | Giay nam cao cap | Giay luoi |
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TPC Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 135 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Where's the "it probably can be done, and its probably usefull, but I don't want it because I have high-speed internet connection" |
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El_Presidente_Pufferfish Veteran
Joined: 11 Jul 2002 Posts: 1179 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Random extra feature that nobody wants/needs : It would be so cool if you could pop it in a normal DVD player and have it play a presentation/movie about gentoo and its benefits |
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gsfgf Veteran
Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 1266
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I hear knoppix is working on a livedvd wich does seem more useful than a gentoo one. _________________ Aim:gsfgf0 |
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etnoy Apprentice
Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Posts: 255 Location: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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The Gentoo LiveCD (nostages) takes about 10% of a CD, mainly because it hasn't got X, KDE, GNOME and other space-hungry apps. The Official Gentoo LiveCD is good not only because it's a very stripped-down and functional system, but also because the download is rather small to download. That is more important to me than anything else. _________________ The md5sum of the above post is 06280ccd85ef9deb49c336e7945f4b5c
God is dead! - Nietzsche
Nietzsche is dead! -God |
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axxackall l33t
Joined: 06 Nov 2002 Posts: 651 Location: Toronto, Ontario, 3rd Rock From Sun
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:10 am Post subject: |
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etnoy wrote: | The Official Gentoo LiveCD is good not only because it's a very stripped-down and functional system, but also because the download is rather small to download. That is more important to me than anything else. |
When it comes to download the image - I agree. But my original point is different.
We, Gentoo users, don't download the image of our OS (like RH users do) - instead, we build it. It means we install a bootstrap and tell the system what we want on it and the systsem will download what's necessary, compile it and install it.
In a similar way I see LiveDVD. I don't see it as a 4.7 GB image that you download and burn. You don't need it. Instead I can see a script that, being told what do you want on LiveDVD to be installed, would build and install it there.
I don't understand people who advise here "build it yourself". Yes I want to build it myself. But I need a guideline for it. Building DVD is already a bit different than a building of CD. Building a bootable DVD is absolutely diffeent thing. If you don't understand it then you needguidelines for it too. And that is my point.
I think that Gentoo community will benefit if we will have "HOWTO build bootable LiveDVD" guide. If it will (and it should) have a comlimentary script doing the final burning step - that will be appreciated by many people as I can see from this poll.
I encourage eveyone who has any usefull links, or any usefull advises, or any usefull scriptlets for building own bootable LiveDVD - drop it here. If I'll gother them enough to build it - I'll promise to publish it on "Docs and tricks" forum for everyone usage. _________________ "Lisp is a programmable programming language." - John Foderaro, CACM, September 1991 |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54421 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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axxackall,
Quote: | I don't understand people who advise here "build it yourself". Yes I want to build it myself. But I need a guideline for it. Building DVD is already a bit different than a building of CD. Building a bootable DVD is absolutely diffeent thing. If you don't understand it then you needguidelines for it too. And that is my point. |
Not if you use and iso9660 filesystem on the DVD. then its just a big CD. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
Computer users fall into two groups:-
those that do backups
those that have never had a hard drive fail. |
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Snake007uk Apprentice
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 198 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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yeah i trieds to do my own one, this is what i did, i used winISO to open up the gentoo livecd iso image and just added about 2gb of pre compiled binaries i made. thats it i didnt mess with any setting ewtc..
at that was it it booted the gentoo boot screen cam up but when you press enter it failed on initrd?? no idea what to do now ?
this would be cool that way i could make pre compiled packages and place on live cd 4GB to play with as well
Snake _________________ Snake
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KingPunk Guru
Joined: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 442 Location: Utica, New York, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:54 am Post subject: |
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well. i have a bootable mandrake 9.2_rc2 dvd.
works quite well too. i got it from a linux magazine that i suscribe to.
of course, why use the bootable dvd? .. i gots me a gentoo
(i've thought about making a bootable custom gentoo dvd for about a year now.)
Im quite suprised that nobody has attempted atleast an "experimental" bootable dvd!
With all of the innovative people that run gentoo on a normal basis, and nobody has
yet to do this. c'mon people!
the iso9660 filesystem would do, but sheesh.. even 3ish gig of binaries would cut
a big portion out of the cake. (not to mention playing with the limits of the iso9660
filesystem and pushing 4+gig)
anyways, i hope something comes about this. its a great idea!
but better yet, what about something, like a knoppix-like enviroment.
where you have your favorite DE, and stuff.. running straight from dvd.
oh the possibilities
~KingPunk _________________ When the FBI/CIA/NSA/FDA/and other three-letter government agencies come looking, you don't know me, you never saw me, never heard of me. get it? got it? good!
also: ALL YOUR POLLITICAL BASE ARE BELONG TO HILLARY IN '08!! |
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AgentSmith n00b
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 5
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, it's 4.5 Gb's . The temporary solution I can think of now, is to boot the pc with a standard gentoo live cd and then switch to your custom made dvd. This way you don't have to worry about getting your dvd bootable. But if someone wants to write a how-to about making a bootable livedvd, by all means, go ahead! |
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dolbz Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 138 Location: Nuneaton,UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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wolvenwraith wrote: | Actually, I just realized I voted wrong. I have a bootable Gentoo LiveDVD (an old one, but nevertheless I have one) from one of the old linux magazines. I believe it was linux format, and I probably still have it around somewhere. |
I also have this DVD. Out of date now though. |
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renihs Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 82 Location: Austria, Vienna
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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hmm this thread is quite old...
never stumbled over it. i am working for some time now (with long delays inbetween) on a gentoo based livedvd. currently it uses a 2.6.9 kernel with udev (hotplugging). at the moment development paused again. i need to adapt locations of the gl-libs to get opengl-update working (no 3d-accel for nvidia at the moment). my ibm t42 (ati mobile 7500 ) however starts with 3d-acceleration already
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=275608&highlight=livedvd |
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madmango Guru
Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 507 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hm. No DVD drive. _________________ word. |
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