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Ottre
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I'm glad you guys appreciate my work. 
It takes me a while to download all these isos, because the small distros don't have fast web hosting, sometimes I get 50 kb/s speeds.
On the plus side, this recent commit to eudev means less work for me.
There are a few distros (eg TriOS, TLD Linux) using eudev that name the package something other than eudev; now it should be easy to spot them by recording the boot messages. |
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truekaiser
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | Add Gentoo.
| rich0 wrote: | The council has approved the following decision 7-0:
"In light of the support for eudev among Gentoo non-systemd users, and
a lack of strong technical drivers to block a change, the Council
approves changing the default virtual/udev provider for non-systemd
users to eudev. The council encourages all maintainers to try to
support either provider and cooperate with those who provide patches
when necessary." |
In a message to the -dev mailing list timed at Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 12:14:48 -0500 |
So when will we get a migration guide? |
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kurly
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| truekaiser wrote: | | So when will we get a migration guide? |
The change in default doesn't affect existing installations, and nobody is required to migrate. However:
| Code: | | emerge -C sys-fs/udev && emerge sys-fs/eudev |
...and done.  (Do not reboot in between the two steps.) |
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truekaiser
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| kurly wrote: | | truekaiser wrote: | | So when will we get a migration guide? |
The change in default doesn't affect existing installations, and nobody is required to migrate. However:
| Code: | | emerge -C sys-fs/udev && emerge sys-fs/eudev |
...and done. (Do not reboot in between the two steps.) |
Okay. I was under the mistaken impression it may have been a more involved process. |
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The Doctor
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| kurly wrote: | | truekaiser wrote: | | So when will we get a migration guide? |
The change in default doesn't affect existing installations, and nobody is required to migrate. However:
| Code: | | emerge -C sys-fs/udev && emerge sys-fs/eudev |
...and done. (Do not reboot in between the two steps.) |
That should read emerge -1 sys-fs/eudev or you will clutter up your world file.
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kurly
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| The Doctor wrote: | | kurly wrote: | | truekaiser wrote: | | So when will we get a migration guide? |
The change in default doesn't affect existing installations, and nobody is required to migrate. However:
| Code: | | emerge -C sys-fs/udev && emerge sys-fs/eudev |
...and done. (Do not reboot in between the two steps.) |
That should read emerge -1 sys-fs/eudev or you will clutter up your world file. |
Indeed; true, true! The omission is a leftover from the days where it was not yet the default in the virtual, and thus still was necessary to add to world. |
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Ottre
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Screencap of Dracos Linux showing that it uses vanilla Linux From Scratch packages, including eudev:
http://i.imgur.com/1cI4r5C.png
Note, there's no package manager for LFS, so I can't list installed packages. |
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steveL
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Ottre wrote: | | I'm glad you guys appreciate my work. :D |
We do, indeed. :-) |
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Ottre
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:21 am Post subject: |
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One of the comments posted to an article on linuxadvocates.com, three years ago:
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George Mitchell • 3 years ago
I *think* his point is that other distros could tap into Gentoo as an upstream for eudev so as not to have to do all the maintaining of udev themselves. This would initiate a new ecosystem for the older udev approach and also could form the basis of a broader ecosystem supporting what is becoming legacy sysvinit. Additionally, of course, I believe that Debian continues to support sysvinit and udev. It is just that most distros have been lulled into adopting the likes of Red Hat, SuSE and Ubuntu as upstreams since that is where all of the high powered development money is. That is not, in and of itself, a bad thing. But it does have a dark side. And what we are seeing now IS that dark side.
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That ecosystem has well and truly emerged. I'd say there are now 10,000 people using eudev.
consolekit2 is coming along nicely as well. |
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krinn
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| aren't "buildin packages" ones from the ubuntu repo? |
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Ottre
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that makes sense. |
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antiX was the only Debian-based distro on the list. Now that antiX has switched back to udev, it may become hard to find a .deb file for eudev.
I thought I would check out Benda Xu's Debian-based distro, Aire Linux, to see what they are using.
As well as being a Gentoo developer, Benda is one of the OpenRC maintainers for Debian. Based on the project's mailing list archives, she's pretty active in the Debian world. And Aire Linux has its own repos. Maybe she packaged other Gentoo software, like eudev?
Aire Linux gives you a .ova file to download, instead of an .iso image. After converting the file from ova to qcow2, I booted it in QEMU only to get stuck at the login screen - the website doesn't tell you what password to use. I figured out the password (root : airelinux) by reading the Aire Linux makefile.
Long story short, Aire Linux uses sysvinit for the init system:
http://i.imgur.com/qwg6Gsq.png
And udev for the device manager:
http://i.imgur.com/lqY9Adp.png
Disappointing. |
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| According to the distrowatch page, OSMC uses systemd. Need to investigate further. |
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DraganFOSS
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Fitzcarraldo
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Looks like antiX still aims to use eudev in the long run:
| Quote: | New in antiX MEPIS 16 RC1 (June 14th, 2016)
Main changes from previous betas is that firefox-esr is now the default browser and we ship with a 4.4.10 antiX custom kernel.
Still using udev since eudev (or our build of it) causes some delays on newer hardware.
eudev is available in the repo, but we will not ship with it for this release.
We aim to fully use eudev for antiX-17 stretch versions.
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http://linux.softpedia.com/progChangelog/antiX-MEPIS-Changelog-27857.html
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tld
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Slackware 14.2 just announced:
http://www.slackware.com/announce/14.2.php
Still using eudev (though the above doesn't specify the version), and no systemd...cool.
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Ottre
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Ottre
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| tld wrote: | | Slackware 14.2 just announced: |
And eudev gets mentioned in the Soylent News (twice), Slashdot, LWN and DistroWatch coverage. 
Nothing in the Phoronix article though. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Ottre wrote: | | Nothing in the Phoronix article though. |
What a bunch of ass-hats. They don't even mention the lack of systemd, as if that isn't a big deal for a major distro these days. |
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