[wayland] wayfire and other compositors

MrZammler · Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 pm Post subject:

Nope, it doesn't want to work....

I'm running wlroots 0.13.0 now, and the latest from 0.7.x branch (EGIT_OVERRIDE_BRANCH_WAYFIREWM_WAYFIRE="0.7.x") so basically 0.7.1.

When I turn the monitor off now, all apps crash. I get some:

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 4:20 pm Post subject:

I created a sets package for wayfire

MrZammler · Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 4:49 pm Post subject:

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject:

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 5:05 pm Post subject:

I think I've seen a request from someone else asking about a shortcut key.

What would work for me, would be to enhance the fast switcher to not just work on the current workspace, but all of them, the I could find the window/app I wanted by just holding the key and swapping till I found it. Not quite as nice as swapping from wsp 1 app 2 to wsp 4 app7, but a lot easier to program. :lol:

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Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 5:29 pm Post subject:

I swapped the keystrokes for fast-switcher and switcher, as I don't care about the display effects.
I had been intending to cut down the number of workspaces, I seldom use more than 3 or 4.
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The Main Man · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:30 pm Post subject:

I had serious amdgpu driver crashes on Sway which required hard reset, so I was forced to try Wayfire and switch to it.
It's ok, but I prefer tiling WM's, can't get used to pressing super key and then release it and then pressing the workspace number.
I tried dwl and hikari, problem with those is the status panel or bar, Waybar works but it can't deal with workspaces, otherwise I think I would use one of them.
Overall Wayland is ready I guess, there are problems but yeah, if you're not going for gnome or plasma information is sparse, other WM's are lacking features and I feel like they are always racing something, some new feature, trying to get to the point where some X11 WM's are, you have to be on 9999's which then require 9999 of some system lib etc.
It's definitely usable, but I don't know, will live in it for one more week and then decide if I'll go back to X11
I would use Sway for sure and I like it, but for some reason it doesn't handle amdgpu well, I tried many things, people say downgrading linux-firmware solves that problem, but in my case that didn't help, stable and latest mesa, stable and latest kernel ... it still happens, and it happens only on Sway, really weird.

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:45 pm Post subject:

Which version of sway? Kernel version? amd card?

I run 9999 versions of at least wlroots, wayfire and waybar, just to keep them on the same page.

Wayland is very much changing, it's too new (in the scheme of things) to be stable, as features get tried, refined or dropped.
It's similar in quality to when Xfree86 was around and was moving to merge with xorg-server.
Lots of crashes, apps weren't that plentiful, etc.

I'm on radeon, the reason being, I got tired of the nvidia card hard freezing X and having to power it off to get control.

I've had a few problems with wayland stuff, especially before going 9999 versions, but no hard locks, a few crashes where you're magically back at the console :lol:

a refusal of the monitor to wake back up once it went to sleep, ssh'd in and got it to work (fixed by later 9999 sync). A few problems, nothing major.

I like it so well, I've long removed xorg-server, just wayland, Xwayland and the X libs and apps.
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The Main Man · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:50 pm Post subject:

No matter which one, kernel I tried stable and latest 5.13, amd card is internal vega raven

I tried to solve it, found this today , and several other threads, that guy gave some links as well, where he discovered a solution for him (linux-firmware)

I'll keep trying but not much else I can do

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:31 pm Post subject:

Don't know much about the vega series, I'm running an older RX 550.

Might be firmware related, as those are new enough to not have all the bugs worked out of the drivers (firmware)
Could be mesa related too, since they get fixes for lots of the amd stuff from amd itself.

Which version of mesa are you running?
I've swapped to the latest 21.1.4, no problems so far.

Edit to add: From one of of the links off of the link :lol:

GPU reset fixes
https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/dri-devel/patch/20210520022500.4023-1-alexander.deucher@amd.com/

From the patch it looks like it might be kernel driver related.
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The Main Man · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:00 pm Post subject:

Thing is, I went back to stable yesterday I think, or the day before, anyway I just found out today about linux-firmware, so I used downgraded firmware but with all else stable.
Wasn't in the mood to go unstable again, even though it's not that time consuming, and thinking that doesn't even matter, since those users didn't mention that's important.
Right now I'm on mesa 21.0.3 and kernel 5.10.27 , and on latest firmware (i think firmware is always unmasked)
I did try kernel 5.13 so I guess that patch didn't work in my case, or I don't know if that's even merged or not

Again, if you're not running Sway it won't happen, I don't get that in Wayfire or other compositors , let alone X11
Problem is I can't even test that easily, sometimes it happens quick, sometimes it needs hours, and when it does happen it's always while watching some video or in a video game.
It's not just Ryzen Vega, dedicated cards as well from what I can tell, RX 580 in this link, scroll all the way down, 3rd post from the bottom, from Florian, 2 weeks ago
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/934

Edit :
and here's the latest crash details, from today
https://pastebin.com/AXfcV9ZM

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:35 pm Post subject:

Interesting.

I see some people went back to 21.0.2 and some patch and things seemed to work.

I didn't see anyone say anything about earlier versions such as mesa-20.3.5.

Some of the people were even having crashes in X.
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The Main Man · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:50 pm Post subject:

Yeah, in my case it's only Sway, screen will go black, freeze like, not entirely black, some artifacts are shown, and the audio still works, it goes like that for maybe ten seconds, then the monitor turns off, at which point hard reset is the only option.
Well, never mind, I'll keep an eye on it and try it again from time to time.

Had crash in Wayfire today, though this is different, I use Zathura for PDF's, it doesn't happen always, but today I had to read few of them and when I closed one the Wayfire just crashed and I was back to tty

What is this in the config exactly, can you tell me ?
And do I need gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr ? Because I don't have that one installed.

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:55 pm Post subject:

No you don't need the xdg-desktop. It's being looked at in conjunction with things like pipewire for video broadcasting, ie sharing your desktop, etc.
Just comment it out, like you would in a shell script with #

I did have it installed once upon a time, but I didn't like the way it made things slow on the system.

For config file, at least a relatively good explanation of things.

https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire/wiki/Configuration

And there should be a sample one at /usr/share/wayfire/wayfire.ini
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The Main Man · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:11 am Post subject:

I asked about the other one, xdg-desktop-portal is dep of flatpak, so I had that one already installed.
Anyhow, thanks for the Wiki page, yeah it's good, I read that earlier while I was configuring Wayfire, took me awhile to figure out how to restart Wayfire until I realized it does that auto on every change

It doesn't mention xdg-desktop-portal though.
Never mind, who knows why that happened, main thing is that I don't have those gpu resets, those are nasty, Wayfire crashing happened only once on a different matter.

btw I just synced portage, lots of new updates for stable gentoo, mesa, xwayland, libdrm (which required of me to enable radeon use flag)
Getting used to Wayfire slowly, it's not that bad, but still, years of using tiling WM's .... it takes time to adjust
Would be much easier for me if there was workspace support on Waybar, Expo is nice but slower for me, I guess I'll get used to it
Thing is I don't care much for eye candy, I overgrown Compiz years ago
I would pick Sway for sure in Wayland, Wayfire is second best for me and will have to do.
Will not give up on Wayland, not yet.
If Sway was working for me, I wouldn't for sure, I already had xorg completely removed.

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:39 am Post subject:

I meant the portal, I forgot there was the desktop and the portal. I don't use it, even uninstalled it as I've no interest in whole sharing desktop end of wayland, at least for now. Plus it's all basically experimental at this point, ie lots of breakage :lol:

I know that wayfire has some rudimentary tiling, but I haven't used or even read much about it.
As far as effects, I shut most off. I just prefer a stacking WM. *shrugs*

As far as the crash, amd problems, I would imagine that the problem will be fixed sooner or later, since there are so many reports.
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The Main Man · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:50 am Post subject:

It has 'Simple Tile' plugin , and it tiles indeed, but I turned it off.

btw Wayfire should be bumped to 0.7.2 , it's out now for 2 weeks already
Wayland stuff should be maintained regularly IMHO

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:19 am Post subject:

The Main Man · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:09 am Post subject:

I run 9999 as well (wlroots, wlsunset, mako, wayfire, wf-config) and Sway, but I think I'll remove Sway today, Wayfire is working great.
I just realized that configuring it via config manager is better than editing config manually, had some trouble with keybindings editing it manually, gtk app made that easy.

btw hikari needs a bump as well, plus it doesn't even compile with layershell use flag enabled

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:47 am Post subject:

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The Main Man · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:26 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that one should be in the tree, as well as wofi

Biggest problem for me in Wayfire is the lack of workspaces in the bar, if I'm working with the mouse, with browser for example and want to switch to another workspace it was easy to do that with the mouse, sometimes I'm lazy to go for keyboard, problem here was that Waybar doesn't support Wayfire, anyway I got an idea to made a module for Waybar, and on click it would simulate 'Super' key which would give me that expo plugin.
Now, luckily there's a replacement tool for xdetool in Wayland, called wtype, so all that worked great in the end, pretty happy now with Wayfire!
I don't care about Sway anymore, besides I'm pretty sure that gpu reset problem isn't going away anytime soon.

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:29 pm Post subject:

wtype escaped my wayland radar. Nice.

Just in case someone wants to grab newer ebuilds, my git copy of my local repo is in my sig.

Edit to add: I do like waybar, but I wish they would expand beyond sway.
Though part of it is sway has a nice build in IPC mechanism for sending it commands.
I know that wayfire has been asked by users to implement IPC for wayfire, it's not done yet.

ETA2: re amdgpu locking up problems, there is a patch added to mesa 21.1.4, that is supposed to fix the problem, at least the common problem.
radeonsi: skip instance_count==0 draws on <= GFX9
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/commit/9f5576771a712bcf64acb9cc6469345b3a21fa23
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The Main Man · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:45 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the patch info, I'll try that later

It happened in Wayfire as well unfortunately , it took way longer though, I guess it doesn't like wlroot, because seriously that never happened in X, but I realized just now that I have amdgpu built in kernel, that requires specifying all the blobs in it, so when I downgraded linux-firmware I didn't build the kernel again, so I guess that's why downgrading didn't help in my case.
What I did just now is compiled amdgpu as a module, with downgraded linux-firmare to the oldest possible (20201218) and I will try with that.