2004.0 1st Live-CD -- Testers needed

nmcsween · Guru Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 381

After downloading and doing a totaly fresh install I got past bootstrap-2.6.sh fine with -O3 in my cflags then when i tryed to emerge system i get a error with the first two packages groff and cron
about error 2 so right now i'll try skipping then remergeing them if any others work with stage1-x86-pie-ssp-2004020

HuangBo · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:38 pm Post subject:

HuangBo · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:48 pm Post subject:

I want to say something more.

Linux is like a city.
If we know it well enough, we can walk around without any difficulties. We walk back and forth as we want and we will not get lost.......LFS
We know it well. But we are too tired to walk. So we take bus. One stop, another. We know where to get off the bus and where to go from the bus stop.....Gentoo.
We know it. It is famous. But we just want to pay a visit. So we find a guide. Plan for us in advance. Lead us to some famous places. ....... Some distrios of linux.

Then. Why not add a taxi as an option?
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taskara · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject:

I don't get what you are saying - are you trolling?

HuangBo · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:07 am Post subject:

Well. It seems it's my language ability's wrong.

If I can speak in Chinese I think no problem will arise.

I misuderstood people and people misunderstood me here.

Ok I'll stop.

And sorry for any inconvenience.

Rgds.
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rappayi · n00b Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 11

I had formatted my hdd due to a hardware problem and now I am sitting on the fence doubting whether to install the new system with 2.6 headers. I just need a desktop running kde 3.2 and the hardware is one of the easily supported ones.
Could someone give some tips ? or a list of packages that are broke on 2.6 headers

--abeesh

alan.hughes · n00b Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 40

Concerning HuangBo...

Gentoo, like all Linux distros, reflects the views of the people who developed it. These views are inherently founded in the English language, so all of the commands reflect to some extent that language. Why? Well simply because its the common language spoken (either natively or as a second language) by all Linux developers.

You say that commands like emerge will cause problems for 1.3 billion Chinese? Well if that is a problem then I suggest they use one of the officially mandated Chinese distros such as Red Flag Linux. We are not going to force you or anyone to use Gentoo, but if you do use it then you must accept the way in which Gentoo was built and the commands it supports. It may not be perfect, but then what is?

Alternatively you can build a Chinese version of Gentoo, renaming the commands to whatever you think they should be. Constructive action is always better than destructive ranting.

biehl · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:50 pm Post subject:

I believe that HuangBo just would like a more polished and userfriendly Gentoo.

I agree perfectly - i REALLY want a nice installer for Gentoo.

Installtime
Knoppix - 15 min
Fedora - 25 min
Gentoo - 3hrs+

But as I'm not going to program one myself, I'll just sit down and wait - and express my support for the Gentoo-installer project

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/

maybe give Fedora Core 2 a go - at least to try the GCJ-compiled Eclipse - yummy

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HuangBo · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:08 pm Post subject:

Thanks. I just want to make it clear. I'm not arguing.

I'm not complaining or blaming. I think my hard tones was because my proficiency of English.

My point is that: Gentoo is a good thing. And if it can be more friendly, it can be better. (and not better for me, for me it's good ENOUGH, it's better for some others who may want to use it).

I still remember when I said to my classmate, "I'm going to use *** linux." He replied:"NIU" (chinese, I can't translate it very well. Maybe it means good, strong, clever, or something, and implies he does not want to be as me, or can not use it as me, although he is at least as clever as me). And another time, I told him that M$ released win 2k3, it's better than the old version but needs some configuration to run it as workstation. He was very happy and download (pirate edition of course; and English edition) and installed and configured it immediately. Well I think Gentoo is no harder to install than win 2k3. But win 2k3, or other windows edition, has advantages, and these advantages win people.

I may least a few as: 1) friendly interface (ok, I've been told again and again that someone here don't need it when install, but maybe everyone prefers it in daily use, including install and work); 2) internationalized: I just click [Asia language support], and apply, ok, Chinese stuffs ok, input method ok; 3) very clear demacation between hardware and software: I think it make things slower; just as if we installed windows, we don't have to worry about any programs (we cannot install windows on Apple, so when we buy an Apple, we decide not to use windows). But linux is different. [The following maybe some advanced users can't agree]Gentoo as an example, every program is linked to another , we may encounter problems when we compile a new program, even if everything went smoothly before. The better perfomance is brought by optimized compiling flags, as we told it to compile for a pentium III processor, and this and that. So a user who lacks experience may meet problems, according to him, or according to the developers, when he follows steps in the book, or when he thought he was following steps.

This is what I just remembered. I think a lot when I use linux. And try to think about ways to overcome difficulties. Because I'm not a skilled programmer, I don't know if my ideas are right. But I want to put some here and encourage someone to work on it.

For what I said above, for 1)GUI, I think its very simple for the developers. And it really is not necessary when install basic system. But it is very very necessary when install daily use programs, such as office, mediaplayers, etc. Because the installation of basic system may be performed by skilled users, (I read in this forums that someone installed Gentoo for their parents, grandparents or so), but daily used programs may be installed by ordinery users. So it is really necessary to think about them.

For 2). In my opinion, it may be traced to the root of the linux system. Because the developers, when they designed this system, think very little about them. And now it may be the time to improve. Maybe something very basic must be done to the internal mechanisms of character processing. It is worth being worked on. I appreciate some Chinese, Taiwanese (I admit them as Chinese) and Japanese programmer's work. They patched xfree and xft2 (I hope it is correct) so that I can enjoy perfect (at least for me) Chinese interface in Gnome. And some of them even produced ebuilds that I can PORTDIR_OVERLAY to emerge Chinese compatible X directly. But why it is need to be patched? There must be something internally incompatible. [This point you can ignore as you wish] While win2k3 can make it, I think Gentoo can make it, and make it better.

For 3). I once thought that, maybe every ebuilds can provide an option that is safe enough to run on every base system (slowlier of course). But something slower is better than nothing. If we can do as "emerge --safe ***" to get a working program, however insane the CFLAG or something else is, that must be good. And I think for a lot of programs in daily use some slower perfomance may not be the problem. (excluding servers, and it is not necessary to concern them, because the administrators of servers must be skilled users, they know how to set their flags)

And I'm not trying to SELL Gentoo. So for everything I said, I just want Gentoo be more popular. And I think a larger user group is not a bad thing. So my concern is not on how fast a system can run. I'm not trying to say that the developers must pay more attention to the aspects I just mentioned.

Till now, thank you for reading. It must be hard to read. Or it must be naive in some places.

Regards
Huang Bo
02/15/2004
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yuza · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:31 am Post subject:

I've tried to use this image
livecd-2.6_11-29-2003.iso
to install gentoo on a P4 2.6 Ghz with two SATA drives under a VIA 8237 RAID controller because the disks weren't detected with the 1.4 LiveCD and I had read somewhere that the 2004 CD was the place to look for.
The problem is that the system totally hanged at boot. After the boot prompt the screen went blank and I had to turn off the power and reboot the computer. I don't think this is framebuffer related because I tried to use another video card which was on another computer that had no problems in booting the 2004 livecd.
Anyone experiencing similar problems??

HuangBo · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:10 am Post subject:

I use bootstrap-2.6 from stage1-20040204. (Choosed nptl)

About 9-11 hours from stage1-stage2
emerge system another 3-5 hours
kernel gentoo-dev-sources

Now emerging xfree. Everything went smoothly so far. My hardwares all pass.

Thanks.

Regards.
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02/16/2004
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jpalko · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:44 am Post subject:

alan.hughes · n00b Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 40

The nomal advice is don't use ~x86 on bootstrap. Bad things often happen (as you seem to have found out). Use x86 on bootstrap and shift to ~x86 on subsequent stages of the installation. Even better, initially install using x86, then immediately upgrade to ~x86.

jpalko · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:44 am Post subject:

pulz · n00b Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 28

I got an soltek barebone pc that using an sata disk.
Im have tried all the latest livecd and the 2.6 iso, and none of them worked, they seem to get stuck around the same place, the newest livecd get the new bootsplash but its stuck there and i arn't able to use f2 to get any error messages :/

Any suggestions ?

yuza · Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:03 am Post subject:

Pulz I've succeded in installing gentoo on the computer with SATA RAID... I suggest you to use an IDE disk as spare. First disconnect the SATA and connect the IDE. Then you can Install gentoo on the IDE disk, making a new kernel (2.6) with support for SATA. When you boot the new kernel with the SATA discs connected you should be able to see them from the IDE disc. You can now copy everything on the SATA disc, then disconnect the IDE and use the SATA from now on. Just remember to be careful with your grub.conf!!!
By the way I haven't suceeded in using the Hardware RAID (controller VT8237).

(Thanks Keeper for that!!)

HuangBo · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:56 am Post subject:

Hi!

I've spent 4 days in downloading and compiling my Gentoo. And now I've done the install. Everything goes fine. I bootstrapped (2.6) from 20040204 stage1, used the portage 20040213, and selected "nptl", emerged 2.6.1 gentoo-dev-sources, and now I have realone, mplayer, xmms, openoffice-ximian, mozilla, epiphany, xcdroast, evolution, gftp, all of them works fine with prelink, and no bread down happened till now.

The Chinese enviroment is good. (Use firefly patch).
The input method is ok. (SCIM: 0.8.2 stable does not work, but 0.9.0 "~x86" unstable works fine).

Thanks for the work of the devs.

And I'm wondering when the 2004 will release....

Regards.
Huang Bo
02/20/2004
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alan.hughes · n00b Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 40

Sounds like you've had a busy few days. I'm just doing a test install prior to a full one next month - the purpose of the test install is to check all of my settings (USE, CFLAGS etc) and ensure I've not made any basic mistakes.

I would also like to know when 2004.1 will come out since it was originally scheduled for January. However I expect the answer will be when its ready.

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darkcoder · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:55 pm Post subject:

An easier (or nicier) installer should be a priority. While the manual is excellent, the work required especially for a new Gentoo user is too much, and it can scare many people.

But the current installation method should be preserved. In fact, no matter if Gentoo ends with a GUI or Menu based installer, it sould ask first what kind of installation process the user desires and presets to the easier (Install Program) for the morons... ahem... people not too skilled on computers, and leave the advanced shell install for the brave men and women of this world. :lol:

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darkcoder · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:58 pm Post subject:

When an ISO with SCSI support would be available for test?

I have 3 DELLS, and 2 Compaq servers ALL SCSI ONLY screaming for Gentoo.
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OneOfMany · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:54 pm Post subject:

darkcoder:
Just after booting the LiveCD, at the first prompt, you can ask for SCSI support by using "gentoo doscsi" (or change gentoo to the development version if you want to try 2.6). The usual help message isn't available there (for the options), but this worked for my Buslogic SCSI controller.

gcasillo · Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject:

The 20040204 livecd froze on boot with:

hde: attached ide-disk driver.

It appears to recognize the drive:

ICH5-SATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:1f.2
ICH5-SATA: chipset revision 2
ICH5-SATA: 100% native mode on irq 10
...
hde: Maxtor 6Y160M0, ATA DISK drive

I have a Maxtor 160GB SATA drive. It is connected to an Intel D865GBF mobo. I appreciate the work that's going into the new livecds, but I really hope SATA support is a solid go from now on. I'm absolutely wearing out a Knoppix disc to do my Gentoo installs.

alan.hughes · n00b Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 40

gcasillo · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:07 am Post subject:

So I'm installing with the help of Knoppix 3.3, and I'm working with stage1-x86-20040204. I'm emerging system right now, and I ran into a problem with openssl. Seems it wants perl installed first, probably because I have "perl" in my USE flags. So I am emerging perl (and libperl) first now, then I will continue with "emerge system."

Also, for those folks working with Knoppix to install Gentoo on their systems, you may want to look at this thread. To make a long story short, you should not mount /dev with: