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GDH-gentoo
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| szatox wrote: | | turtles wrote: | | Reminds me of the IPV4 to IPV6 conversion. |
Great comparison, yes, how many years has it been by now? 20? 30? It just makes sense to get more addresses, yet I am still on ipv4.
Honestly I didn't think it would take THIS long. |
Daniel J. Bernstein's take. Not dated but probably from around 2002-2003.
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| GDH-gentoo wrote: | | szatox wrote: | | turtles wrote: | | Reminds me of the IPV4 to IPV6 conversion. |
Great comparison, yes, how many years has it been by now? 20? 30? It just makes sense to get more addresses, yet I am still on ipv4.
Honestly I didn't think it would take THIS long. |
Daniel J. Bernstein's take. Not dated but probably from around 2002-2003. |
If the HTTP headers are to be believed, that was Last-modified: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:27:40 GMT. |
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Who could have predicted all those years ago that we'd be waiting to see whether microsoft will have complete control of linux or their owner will have killed us all first?
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Who could have predicted all those years ago that we'd be waiting to see whether microsoft will have complete control of linux or their owner will have killed us all first? |
I remember those days. Interesting, I never ever believed nor felt that Linux will concur the desktop market. All those Redhat 5.x statements sounded overhyped. Perhaps because I came to Linux from university Unix machines, which I used since 1986, without ever using Windows. And that environment was not desktop-centered, it was interconnected networked machines and terminals. So for me Linux was a version of Unix adapted to PC platform, extension of my office environment (and in the office we started getting cheaper PC's as personal workstations that needed to be incorporated). Eye-candy desktop environment was never the goal, necessity or need. At the same time personal computer market was growing other way, with different needs. |
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| dmpogo wrote: | | I came to Linux from university Unix machines, which I used since 1986, without ever using Windows. |
That makes us two rare birds, also I came to Linux from IRIX skipping over windows.
(I later learned windows but its never been a daily OS for me)
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| turtles wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | | I came to Linux from university Unix machines, which I used since 1986, without ever using Windows. |
That makes us two rare birds, also I came to Linux from IRIX skipping over windows.
(I later learned windows but its never been a daily OS for me) |
So you are BSD(ps aux) or SysV(ps -ef) guys/gals ? |
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| dmpogo wrote: | | szatox wrote: | | turtles wrote: | | Reminds me of the IPV4 to IPV6 conversion. |
Great comparison, yes, how many years has it been by now? 20? 30? It just makes sense to get more addresses, yet I am still on ipv4.
Honestly I didn't think it would take THIS long.
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For amusement only
Older readers, like me will recall the events described there. |
Exponential approximation doesn't work very well on a finite population, er? Gotta start subtracting at some point.
There are some interesting effects in crowd dynamics though... Linux is actually approaching the critical mass (crowd-wise) while being torn apart by politics. I wonder which process will win... Is linux going big or going out? |
Basically, ipv4 restrictions on the number of IP addresses were solved by private subnets of 192.168.x.x and similar. Somehow people realized that not every computer needs to have a unique, globally identified, IP address. |
I do have to add that the wired appliance routers I've been able to find only have IPV4 firewalls, but not IPV6. So if you turn on IPV6 on such routers, you're out there naked. They do have some "firewall functions", but not the simplest of blocking SYN or state=new. If I'm wrong I'd like to know, I'd take a look at buying one.
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So you are BSD(ps aux) or SysV(ps -ef) guys/gals ? |
I think IRIX descended from System V, but back then but I mostly used GUI apps on the SGI's.
I did not get deep into the command line until I started running Linux. 
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I played with X a little around 1993/1994 when I was first trying out very early Linux. I think my first actual exposure was in March of 93, when I had done a weekend high school recruitment event at my future college, where I saw early streaming over the internet in X too. I was full blown immersed in 1995 when I started college, having access to Sun and SGI boxes, and needing to do assignments in X and Motif, using C++ and, ugh, Eiffel.
Since I was an off campus student and working 50 hours/week on top of it, having Linux with X and all the toys at home made things so much easier.
I had been running OS/2 prior to Linux (and DOS prior to that)... Shout out to Linus, RMS, and all the other people that made it possible for a college student from an underprivileged family to have access to everything they gave us.
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| pingtoo wrote: | | turtles wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | | I came to Linux from university Unix machines, which I used since 1986, without ever using Windows. |
That makes us two rare birds, also I came to Linux from IRIX skipping over windows.
(I later learned windows but its never been a daily OS for me) |
So you are BSD(ps aux) or SysV(ps -ef) guys/gals ? |
Both feel equally native to me. |
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