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kgdrenefort Apprentice
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:00 pm Post subject: Is it safe to change python3.11 to 3.12 by default ? |
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Hello,
If I was not on Gentoo, I'll not even question myself. But since Python is the core of portage and must of the Gentoo's stuff, as stated by the wiki, I would like a confirmation.
Is using the package app-eselect/eselect-python to move from 3.11 to 3.12 is risky ?
I would not want to fix my Gentoo for such a «trivial» things as my Python's default version.
Code: | kgdrenefort@Mephistopheles ~/Documents/prog/python/GoTDA $ eselect python list
Available Python interpreters, in order of preference:
[1] python3.11
[2] python3.12 (fallback) |
I think I can go for 3.12, but default is Python 3.11.8 and it already makes me had problem while trying to use pydoc as in this topic of mine.
I do not find a clear statement that it is safe to in these pages:
- https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Python
- https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Python/python-exec
I also think it's safe from what theses page says, I might have understand that if a version isn't supported by something, it'll pick the V-1 of Python. So as far as I do not remove any release considered deprecated, it should be fine. Correct ?
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logrusx Veteran
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Eselect python is not a thing for quite some time. Are you sure you know what you're doing and why you want to do it?
Best Regards,
Georgi |
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kgdrenefort Apprentice
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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logrusx wrote: | Eselect python is not a thing for quite some time. Are you sure you know what you're doing and why you want to do it?
Best Regards,
Georgi |
I only want to have 3.12 as the default Python.
I started to learn some Python and I would prefer to avoid running pydoc, for example, with a version that is:
1/ Not matching my version while coding
2/ Have to remember it each it I call it.
So far my script are okay because my shebang state to use 3.12.
Regards,
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logrusx Veteran
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know python, but I know there's this thing virtual environment, can't you create and work inside of one?
Most likely you won't be able to get rid of python 3.11 anytime soon.
p.s. pydoc doesn't seem to support 3.12 yet:
Code: | eix pydoc
* app-vim/pydoc
Available versions: 2.0-r2 {PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_10 python3_11"}
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Unless there's some way to tell it to show you 3.12 documentation.
But I think Ionen's suggestion below will do exactly what you want.
Best Regards,
Georgi
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Ionen Developer
Joined: 06 Dec 2018 Posts: 2727
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Changing python-exec's default (done by either editing /etc/python-exec/python-exec.conf or using the old eselect python) is always safe as far as portage-installed packages go, this is just for your own preferences really. Portage-installed packages will still use 3.11 if they can't use 3.12 yet (aka built without PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_12").
By changing python-exec's default your own python/python3 shebang scripts will use 3.12 if that's just what you want, albeit without python3_12 target on system packages you won't have access to a lot of system-wide python site-packages (doesn't matter if using virtualenv/pip or just stdlib).
python3_12 target will become a default "likely" in 2-3 months if it goes like usual, you *could* use it now but given a lot of packages haven't been migrated yet you'll still need to keep 3_11 as a target a well. Generally this is not worth bothering with, just let the distro handle this for you. |
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kgdrenefort Apprentice
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for these answers.
But I'll add I do not want to remove Python3.11, just have 3.12 as default, if it's safe.
And it's not even about my script, the shebang make my system use 3.12 anyway, but I didn't checked in detail, will take a look at it.
I'll just in case backup my system before proceeding.
Regards,
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grknight Retired Dev
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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kgdrenefort wrote: | Thanks for these answers.
But I'll add I do not want to remove Python3.11, just have 3.12 as default, if it's safe.
And it's not even about my script, the shebang make my system use 3.12 anyway, but I didn't checked in detail, will take a look at it.
I'll just in case backup my system before proceeding.
Regards,
GASPARD DE RENEFORT Kévin |
An automatic way of setting this is to do this in package.use: Code: | dev-lang/python-exec-conf python_targets_python3_12 |
then rebuilding python-exec-conf. It will put python 3.12 first and look for 3.11 second. As python3.11 falls off, then it will just go away.
All that python-exec-conf package does is creates a configuration file so it is safe to add that flag without worries for other packages. |
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figueroa Advocate
Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 2965 Location: Edge of marsh USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:49 am Post subject: |
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logrusx wrote: | Eselect python is not a thing for quite some time. Are you sure you know what you're doing and why you want to do it? ...
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For those who want it, it's still available:
Code: | $ eix eselect-python
[I] app-eselect/eselect-python
Available versions: 20200719
Installed versions: 20200719(01:59:16 PM 03/27/2024)
Homepage: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Python
Description: Eselect module for management of multiple Python versions |
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