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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:35 pm    Post subject: can't update @world during install Reply with quote

i'been trying to install Gentoo following the handbook: plasma+openrc profile [not merged-usr, i think], and i can't update @world due to this
Code:
 app-alternatives/awk-4:
* Package 'app-alternatives/awk-4' has internal collisions between non-identical files (located in separate directories in the installation image (${D}) corresponding to merged directories in the target filesystem...



Any tip?
Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 23.0, it must say split-usr. If not, it is merged-usr by default.

the tables showing the migration, where you can notice the current split-usr
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg99145.html

That's the gentoo-dev archive, announcing that profile 23.0 is ready. It also says

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Note 2: While there are 23.0 split-usr profiles, the *stage* downloads
are *all* of the merged-usr type. Why? Not because I'm a big fan of that,
but because we should try to unify and standardize a bit again - to
avoid too many different build configurations leading to too many Heisenbugs.


Does that mean new split-usr installs are impossible? Yes.

Reading that email thread, you can see that Sam objected, but then nothing came of that objection.
Just to be sure, I downloaded the latest openrc stage3 tarball and sure enough, it's using the merged-usr layout.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bstaletic,

It means that you need an old stage3 to start from, then update.
Or you start from a minimal throw away merged-user and use that to make your own split-user chroot.
Or you reverse the merged-user instructions.

New split-user installs have became more of a learning opportunity than they once were, not impossible.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had to have a look see for myself on arm64.

Looking more closely both arm64 and amd64 have openrc split-usr stage 3.

From the OSU mirror https://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20240407T165048Z/stage3-amd64-openrc-splitusr-20240407T165048Z.tar.xz
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose my question should be; are the split-usr stage 3's going to continue being available from distfiles.gentoo.org and just not gentoo.org?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon,

You're right on all accounts.

NeddySeagoon wrote:
an old stage3 to start from, then update


That could be a wild ride some years from now, when there might be profile 29.0 and 35.0.

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Or you start from a minimal throw away merged-user and use that to make your own split-user chroot.


That one did not cross my mind before... Interesting.

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Or you reverse the merged-user instructions.


This is the thing I thought of first, but it seems error prone, though the least hassle. Would it just be:


  1. Unlink directories
  2. Create actual directories
  3. Select a split-usr profile
  4. Rebuild @world
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bstaletic,

You would also need to move things around.

Code:
* sys-apps/merge-usr
     Available versions:  6 {PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_10 python3_11"}
     Homepage:            https://github.com/floppym/merge-usr
     Description:         Script to migrate from split-usr to merged-usr


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Reassembly is the reversal of the disassembly process.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the current arm64 split-usr had the correct profile set when doing the eselect profile list step to check during install.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-openrc-splitusr/

Just dropping this here for future reference, and to see how much longer it remains available.
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