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Should OTW return? |
yes |
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30% |
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no |
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45% |
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no because redhat |
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yes because redhat |
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bad actors |
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small number of deplorables |
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ban me |
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eccerr0r Watchman
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 9695 Location: almost Mile High in the USA
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 12:13 am Post subject: |
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I assume the DNS entry was one problem, probably costed too much to maintain it with only a few people using it and no ad revenue?
I do wonder how much DNS lookups cost for a site like that Or even gentoo.org. Some registrars count how many lookups you get and the more lookups the higher your fee is. Can't win. _________________ Intel Core i7 2700K/Radeon R7 250/24GB DDR3/256GB SSD
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pietinger Moderator
Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 4282 Location: Bavaria
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 12:24 am Post subject: |
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turtles wrote: | Do any of you know what happened? |
If I told you that, Neddy would shoot me ... or rather ... us. _________________ https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Pietinger |
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kgdrenefort Apprentice
Joined: 19 Sep 2023 Posts: 226 Location: Somewhere in the 77
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 10:07 am Post subject: |
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pietinger wrote: | turtles wrote: | Do any of you know what happened? |
If I told you that, Neddy would shoot me ... or rather ... us. ;-) |
But the taste of knowledge is so good. Worth it ;). _________________ wiki/User:Kgdrenefort/captain_logs My system info
G. does not have problems, only learning opportunities. - NeddyS.
If your installation isn't valuable to you, feel free to continue to ignore the instructions. - figue. |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54358 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 10:42 am Post subject: |
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pietinger wrote: | I also read in OTW ... there were some interesting discussions ... but also very rude manners. Nothing that I would like to moderate. I was initially against closing OTW because I was afraid that it would spread to other areas of the forum. Fortunately, this did not happen. |
That didn't happen because OTW went down slowly. Users had time to get used to the idea and set up OTW20.com
There was notice of it going read only, then a month after that it was hidden from normal users.
In the interests of full disclosure, there is a "delete this forum button" but its never been tested and nobody wanted to try it on the live database :)
I've been trying to word this without naming any names ...
turtles wrote: | Do any of you know what happened? |
OTW20.com had a dynamic IP. Updating the DNS record when it changed was a manual task.
Whoever did that had an attack of real life. The IP changed one day and OTW20.com failed to resolve, so OTW20.com was gone. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
Computer users fall into two groups:-
those that do backups
those that have never had a hard drive fail. |
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mrbassie l33t
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 786 Location: over here
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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pietinger wrote: |
There is a point to the rule in English pubs: No politics - no religion ... and in some even the rule: No politics - no religion - no football. |
_________________ Bus conductors learned to code. |
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mrbassie l33t
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 786 Location: over here
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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eccerr0r wrote: | It's the offensive speech some people use to belittle people who do not agree with their opinion whether it be sports, politics, or religion. |
Like what? _________________ Bus conductors learned to code. |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54358 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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mrbassie,
Respondents quoting that, from memory or the wayback machine, may go the same way as OTW.
Be careful how you respond. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
Computer users fall into two groups:-
those that do backups
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pa4wdh l33t
Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 815
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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If we can blame RedHat, want don't we blame systemd? After all, when OTW is back again it will be a matter of time before systemd-otwd will be written and it's existence will start a flamewar on OTW
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I think "Off The Wall" chat should stay on its own domain, to avoid pointless discussions, and to ensure it stays free from censorship and contente moderation.
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I think this is a very good suggestion. _________________ The gentoo way of bringing peace to the world:
USE="-war" emerge --newuse @world
My shared code repository: https://code.pa4wdh.nl.eu.org
Music, Free as in Freedom: https://www.jamendo.com |
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GDH-gentoo Veteran
Joined: 20 Jul 2019 Posts: 1561 Location: South America
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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From what I remember, Off the Wall was in practice a public chatroom that a small group of regulars used for talking to each other. I think at most two of them posted elsewhere, and the majority seemed to no longer be Gentoo users. I think I saw more people in OTW 2.0 than in the original one.
Personally, I wasn't bothered by OTW's existence. To me, it was just an odd corner of the forums. I used to read the threads for entertainment, but would never think of posting there. I'm not interested in policing something I don't use, so I wouldn't have thought of reporting OTW posts either.
But OTW has close to zero chance of ever coming back, regardless of any poll. _________________
NeddySeagoon wrote: | I'm not a witch, I'm a retired electronics engineer |
Ionen wrote: | As a packager I just don't want things to get messier with weird build systems and multiple toolchains requirements though |
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turtles Veteran
Joined: 31 Dec 2004 Posts: 1667
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like we need a otw30.com _________________ Donate to Gentoo |
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eccerr0r Watchman
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 9695 Location: almost Mile High in the USA
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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turtles wrote: | Sounds like we need a otw30.com |
we'll talk about that in 6 years... _________________ Intel Core i7 2700K/Radeon R7 250/24GB DDR3/256GB SSD
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spica Apprentice
Joined: 04 Jun 2021 Posts: 290
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 5:47 am Post subject: |
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OTW had value only here. Once separated, it's value was zero, and in order to grow, it had to forget about its kinship. Instead, the train refused to move beyond the blue yonder, and faded into obscure. |
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mrbassie l33t
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 786 Location: over here
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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NeddySeagoon wrote: | mrbassie,
Respondents quoting that, from memory or the wayback machine, may go the same way as OTW.
Be careful how you respond. |
I wasn't asking for a quote ned, I'd love a theoretical as to how saying something negative e.g about west bromwich albion could in anyway be construed to be offensive. _________________ Bus conductors learned to code. |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54358 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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mrbassie,
These things rapidly turn from discussion on the subject (west bromwich albion), to attacks on the subject to personal attacks on the posters.
The root cause is that its all a matter of opinion. There are no facts to cite.
For most posters there are no problems but there are extremests everywhere that discussion in based solely on opinion. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
Computer users fall into two groups:-
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ian.au Guru
Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Posts: 593 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 12:59 am Post subject: |
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I liked OTW, it served a purpose (if only as a place to drop the posts of ill-mannered repeat offending trolls) and offered some comedic relief - there were some genuinely funny contributors along with the other strange assorted fruits in there.
It was no place for the thin-skinned or easily offended, though, and I suppose there was some risk to hosting it here.
You'll never get it back, for the same reason you'll never see reruns of 'Love Thy Neighbour' or 'til death do us part'.
So I didn't bother voting.
It is what it is. |
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mrbassie l33t
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 786 Location: over here
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'd settle for girls on top at this point. _________________ Bus conductors learned to code. |
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mrbassie l33t
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 786 Location: over here
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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NeddySeagoon wrote: | mrbassie,
These things rapidly turn from discussion on the subject (west bromwich albion), to attacks on the subject to personal attacks on the posters. |
Typical Villa supporter. _________________ Bus conductors learned to code. |
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mrbassie l33t
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 786 Location: over here
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="mrbassie"] NeddySeagoon wrote: | mrbassie,
These things rapidly turn from discussion on the subject (west bromwich albion), to attacks on the subject to personal attacks on the posters. |
Typical villa. _________________ Bus conductors learned to code. |
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flysideways Guru
Joined: 29 Jan 2005 Posts: 439
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 12:54 am Post subject: |
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From Turtle's link to the waybackmachine.
Quote: | Gentoo Chat
For general linux questions, see Off The Wall. Opinions, ideas and thoughts about Gentoo. Anything and everything about Gentoo except support questions.
Off the Wall
Want to talk about Linux issues not related to Gentoo? Or anything else not related to Gentoo? Post it here. |
Somehow all of the non-Gentoo linux threads, and threads about various members' projects have been forgotten. Along with many discussions over the years about using various hardware under Linux.
Content and certain camaraderie has left with otw, but, it is what it is. |
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Zucca Moderator
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 3373 Location: Rasi, Finland
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 10:13 am Post subject: |
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flysideways wrote: | Somehow all of the non-Gentoo linux threads, and threads about various members' projects have been forgotten. Along with many discussions over the years about using various hardware under Linux. | That's certainly unfortunate side of OTW closure.
If anyone wants to pull some project or hardware related topic out of OTW, then please make a post here so we can try to dig those up and move to proper subforum. _________________ ..: Zucca :..
Gentoo IRC channels reside on Libera.Chat.
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mrbassie l33t
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 786 Location: over here
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Zucca wrote: | flysideways wrote: | Somehow all of the non-Gentoo linux threads, and threads about various members' projects have been forgotten. Along with many discussions over the years about using various hardware under Linux. | That's certainly unfortunate side of OTW closure.
If anyone wants to pull some project or hardware related topic out of OTW, then please make a post here so we can try to dig those up and move to proper subforum. |
This leads me to wonder why otw was yeeted to begin with, so talking about politics being like totally toxic omg has been suggested. I can't think of anything I remember that could engender litigation (apart from taking the piss out of greta, conceivably). I'm putting it down to criticism of the direction of the project however. Criticism's which are admittedly above my head. _________________ Bus conductors learned to code. |
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szatox Advocate
Joined: 27 Aug 2013 Posts: 3166
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | This leads me to wonder why otw was yeeted to begin with, so talking about politics being like totally toxic omg has been suggested. I can't think of anything I remember that could engender litigation (apart from taking the piss out of greta, conceivably). I'm putting it down to criticism of the direction of the project however. Criticism's which are admittedly above my head. | Well, as far as we know, someone saw a bunch of people throwing shit at each other and thought it's a bad thing, even though they kept coming back for more.
Translating to English:
Mr (or more likely Mrs) paragon of virtue got offended on behalf of all participants who wouldn't do that themselves, twatter style. _________________ Make Computing Fun Again |
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mrbassie l33t
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 786 Location: over here
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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szatox wrote: | Quote: | This leads me to wonder why otw was yeeted to begin with, so talking about politics being like totally toxic omg has been suggested. I can't think of anything I remember that could engender litigation (apart from taking the piss out of greta, conceivably). I'm putting it down to criticism of the direction of the project however. Criticism's which are admittedly above my head. | Well, as far as we know, someone saw a bunch of people throwing shit at each other and thought it's a bad thing, even though they kept coming back for more.
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Mr (or more likely Mrs) paragon of virtue got offended on behalf of all participants who wouldn't do that themselves, twatter style. |
I don't recall seeing anything of the sort. _________________ Bus conductors learned to code. |
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GDH-gentoo Veteran
Joined: 20 Jul 2019 Posts: 1561 Location: South America
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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mrbassie wrote: | This leads me to wonder why otw was yeeted to begin with, [...] |
Here's some reading material. _________________
NeddySeagoon wrote: | I'm not a witch, I'm a retired electronics engineer |
Ionen wrote: | As a packager I just don't want things to get messier with weird build systems and multiple toolchains requirements though |
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turtles Veteran
Joined: 31 Dec 2004 Posts: 1667
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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eccerr0r wrote: | I assume the DNS entry was one problem, probably costed too much to maintain it with only a few people using it and no ad revenue?
I do wonder how much DNS lookups cost for a site like that Or even gentoo.org. Some registrars count how many lookups you get and the more lookups the higher your fee is. Can't win. |
I think the forum member that was hosting the otw20.com site seemed to suddenly have some kinda life crisis preventing him from being online or wiped and reformatted his life or worse passed away.
All his social medial and other activity has been dark since around July 2023, regrettably I dont think it was a cost issue or he would have responded on reddit or instagram etc.
I tried to reach out to him a few different ways and no response, I hope he is OK. _________________ Donate to Gentoo |
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