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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 8:36 am    Post subject: sys-apps/uutils-coreutils usable Reply with quote

I note that the 5Rust rewrite of coreutils, sys-apps/uutils-coreutils is in portage, albeit ~amd64. Ditto sys-apps/uutils-findutils.

Both are know to fail various tests, but does anyone know if they're usable replacements for the C versions? I'm presuming that their presence in portage implies someone loves them enough, and therefore the failing tests won't impact common use cases.

<edit>Just found this blog, which implies the answer might be "No". It was written just 5 days ago,
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, basically all problems listed in that post were structural differences between the package build systems, not functional deficits of the actual tools. But of course the tests performed were very superficial.

Don't expect these to become viable drop-in replacements anytime soon though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG. coreutils re-written in Rust? That might be the scariest thing I've ever read here. Of all things that one sounds like an attempt at proving out the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" theory. Is it just me?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tld wrote:
OMG. coreutils re-written in Rust? That might be the scariest thing I've ever read here. Of all things that one sounds like an attempt at proving out the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" theory. Is it just me?
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Another view: Something as basic as coreutils written in an unsafe language? That's scary...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now everything written in c is unsafe, and we're somehow better off rewriting stuff from scratch that's worked and has been debugged and tweaked longer than most users have been alive? That's a pretty tough sell for me.

Not really the forum for that debate though...so I'll leave it at that.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the saying? Something like the only bug free code is the code you didn't write.

Arbitrarily rewriting things, whether it be ruby back when that was a thing or whatever comes along tomorrow, seems a rather "unfriendly" approach to the community as a whole.
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