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szatox
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Not all contributions are made by people deeply involved in the project. FOSS is developed in public to allow contributions from people who aren't. I think there were e.g. some stats from linux kernel, where roughly half of the contributions are from one-timers.
Some FOSS commentators also reported github issues of various projects being flooded with false bug reports.
| Quote: | | And this is the the biggest problem, IMO. I don't see enough participants in this thread addressing it. |
Copyright is a scam and should be rejected as a whole.
Laws can be changed (and also there is life outside USA)
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GDH-gentoo
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| szatox wrote: | | Laws can be changed |
Yes, they can be changed. Will they change? 
| szatox wrote: | | (and also there is life outside USA) |
Yes, there's life outside the USA (I should know). Life and also copyright law 
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szatox
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They will if the crowd grows loud enough.
And they will change the other way if he crowd just keep quiet and takes it. And unfortunately, anyone in the FOSS space acknowledging any legal problems with AI and copyright is giving ammo to the enemy. This argument is fundamentally flawed. Every single work created by any human ever is a derivative work. It's impossible to create something 100% original; that's the first problem with copyright.
Economics is only applicable to scarce resources. Information is not scarce, that's a second problem.
Then there is stuff like fair use which includes "educational purposes". Putting it toghethe with copyright, it would mean "you can learn for free, but you can't ever use that". I man, fair use laws basically acknowledge that copyright is wrong.
And to make things more funny, copyright basically originates from press censorship. Creating a printers guild and giving it the legal monopoly over distribution of prints was an easy way to hush anyone displeased with the king. The guild would obey to keep their privileges, and hunt down any competition, including those badmouthing the ruler.
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| psycho wrote: | | I suppose I tend to assume that Gentoo developers are competent and would not be motivated to use AI to generate garbage and then just tweak it to look like good code: certainly if I were responsible for a portion of code that could impact upon thousands of other people, I would want to understand it thoroughly and not gamble that code I've generated via AI is sound. So even if I used AI tools I'd still be taking responsibility for the quality of the code I submitted. The situation you and szatox are describing involves a careless irresponsible developer, which is something I associate more with situations in which there's money to be made, than labours of love like Gentoo. |
Gentoo developers, or Gentoo users submitting patches because they want their package to install? |
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Leonardo.b
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| szatox wrote: | | The intelligence part in AI is a lie. The correct name is "statistics". |
... today.
I wonder what happens in twenty year. |
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pjp
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I'm guessing people are familiar with Boston Dynamics (now owned by Hitachi?).
Well...
Faces made of living skin make robots smile
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedd3208veyo
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