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Princess Nell
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 Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:54 pm Post subject: wayland use flag |
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Today's sync brought in a bunch of new ebuilds that I don't want or need, all from kde-frameworks. I don't use KDE. If I disable the wayland USE flag in make.conf, will I get into trouble at a later point?
If I decided to switch to Wayland at a later date, would I just have to suck it up or is there a way to avoid these KDE ebuilds?
I see that dev-libs/plasma-wayland-protocols is being pulled in, probably the reason for the above, but nothing in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland suggests it is possible to build without Plasma protocol support. Is this something the devs are considering, e.g. new USE flag? |
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asturm
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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1. No problem.
2. Yes, well - some of your packages obviously have KDE Frameworks (?) as dependencies, but without any output, this would be just a guessing game. Do you think KDE libraries are bad?
3. I didn't understand that last bit. What do you think that package is?
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eschwartz
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: wayland use flag |
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| Princess Nell wrote: | | Today's sync brought in a bunch of new ebuilds that I don't want or need, all from kde-frameworks. I don't use KDE. If I disable the wayland USE flag in make.conf, will I get into trouble at a later point? |
USE defaults are simply defaults. If you actually get into trouble at a later point and that trouble is anything other than "emerge threw a USE dependency conflict and insisted it cannot proceed" it indicates a broken dependency.
Applications may, if upstream designs them that way, only support wayland. Perhaps you aren't using any of those either. Such packages might unconditionally require USE=wayland for their dependencies, inviting a fight with package.use -- but that's not a broken package, just an annoying dependency conflict.
It probably won't happen.
| Princess Nell wrote: | | If I decided to switch to Wayland at a later date, would I just have to suck it up or is there a way to avoid these KDE ebuilds? |
Suck what up? Forced recompiles? Installing packages at all?
If you switch to wayland and you want to use a KDE application on a non-KDE window manager, that application either needs to talk the wayland display protocol, which means building the frameworks with wayland support, or it needs to run via xwayland and speak the Xorg display protocol with xwayland translation in between.
In short, yeah, probably you have to reinstall including with some new framework dependencies for an application that previously got by with *fewer*.
| Princess Nell wrote: | | I see that dev-libs/plasma-wayland-protocols is being pulled in, probably the reason for the above, but nothing in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland suggests it is possible to build without Plasma protocol support. Is this something the devs are considering, e.g. new USE flag? |
I, too, do not know what this means.
That being said, in general, USE flags can only be introduced if the upstream project supports a choice between two scenarios. The USE flag simply implements that upstream choice for Gentoo.
plasma-wayland-protocols provides some XML files that are used by build systems to generate headers and C code, it should never be installed if your packages are retrieved from Gentoo's official binhost. If you compile kde-frameworks/* packages from source, you can still depclean plasma-wayland-protocols as long as you use --with-bdeps=n. |
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asturm
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, if you pasted your emerge output, maybe we could tell you more. |
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pjp
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I think asturm's point "2" is key. I had 11 packages with the new wayland USE flag, none of them KDE / qt related.
Well, that and his point about posting output.
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Princess Nell
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, the list is quite long.
The point is: everything below with USE flag wayland is new since the previous sync. Along with that, everything kde and plasma is new. I do not use KDE and do not currently have any KDE ebuilds installed, so I'm trying to figure out why portage thinks I should install this stuff.
I found that dev-libs/plasma-wayland-protocols unconditionally pulls in kde-frameworks/extra-cmake-modules. That doesn't explain all the other kde-framework ebuilds, though, or why dev-libs/plasma-wayland-protocols is there in the first place.
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These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies ....... done!
Dependency resolution took 80.04 s (backtrack: 3/20).
[ebuild U ] media-libs/alsa-ucm-conf-1.2.12 [1.2.11]
[ebuild U ] media-libs/giflib-5.2.2 [5.2.1-r1]
[ebuild r U ] dev-lang/go-1.23.1 [1.22.6]
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/oniguruma-6.9.9 [6.9.8]
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/sandbox-2.39 [2.38]
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/binutils-config-5.5.2 [5.5]
[ebuild U ] net-wireless/iw-6.7 [5.19]
[ebuild rR ] net-p2p/syncthing-1.27.9
[ebuild U ] app-office/libreoffice-l10n-24.2.6.2 [24.2.5.2]
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/clang-common-18.1.8-r3 [18.1.8-r1]
[ebuild U ] app-admin/perl-cleaner-2.31-r2 [2.31]
[ebuild U ] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.2.12 [1.2.11]
[ebuild U ] dev-db/sqlite-3.46.1 [3.46.0]
[ebuild U ] media-gfx/potrace-1.16-r1 [1.16]
[ebuild R ] dev-debug/strace-6.9 USE="-verify-sig%"
[ebuild U ] media-sound/alsa-utils-1.2.12 [1.2.11]
[ebuild N ] dev-util/wayland-scanner-1.23.0
[ebuild U ] media-libs/dav1d-1.4.2 [1.3.0]
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/wayland-1.23.0-r1 USE="-doc -test" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)"
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/wayland-protocols-1.36 USE="-test"
[ebuild U ] perl-core/File-Temp-0.231.100-r1 [0.231.100]
[ebuild U ] dev-perl/Text-CSV_XS-1.540.0 [1.520.0]
[ebuild U ] dev-perl/ExtUtils-Helpers-0.27.0 [0.26.0-r1]
[ebuild U ] dev-perl/IO-Socket-SSL-2.88.0 [2.85.0]
[ebuild U ] dev-perl/Alien-Build-2.830.0 [2.800.0-r1]
[ebuild U ] dev-ruby/timeout-0.4.1 [0.3.2] RUBY_TARGETS="(-ruby33)"
[ebuild U ] dev-lang/rust-bin-1.80.1 [1.79.0]
[ebuild U ] virtual/rust-1.80.1 [1.79.0]
[ebuild U ] dev-util/cbindgen-0.27.0 [0.26.0] USE="-test%"
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/libixion-0.19.0-r1 [0.19.0]
[ebuild U ] net-libs/gnutls-3.8.7.1-r1 [3.8.0]
[ebuild r U ] app-crypt/rhash-1.4.4-r1 [1.4.3]
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/xmlsec-1.3.4 [1.3.3-r1]
[ebuild U ] dev-vcs/git-2.45.2 [2.44.2] PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="(-python3_13)"
[ebuild U ] dev-lang/python-3.12.6_p2 [3.12.3-r1]
[ebuild U ] media-libs/harfbuzz-9.0.0 [8.5.0]
[ebuild U ] app-arch/libarchive-3.7.5 [3.7.4]
[ebuild rR ] dev-build/cmake-3.30.2
[ebuild U ] media-libs/libjpeg-turbo-3.0.3-r1 [3.0.0]
[ebuild R ] x11-libs/libxkbcommon-1.7.0-r1 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.122-r1 [2.4.122] USE="-doc%"
[ebuild N ] kde-frameworks/extra-cmake-modules-6.5.0-r1 USE="-doc -test"
[ebuild r U ] dev-libs/protobuf-27.2 [25.3] USE="libprotoc%* protobuf%* protoc%* -conformance% -libupb%"
[ebuild U ] media-libs/libaom-3.9.1 [3.8.1]
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/gptfdisk-1.0.10-r1 [1.0.9-r3]
[ebuild r U ] dev-libs/tinyxml2-10.0.0 [9.0.0-r1]
[ebuild U ] net-libs/ngtcp2-1.7.0 [1.5.0]
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/libnvme-1.10 [1.9] PYTHON_TARGETS="(-python3_13)"
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/libfmt-9.1.0-r2 [9.1.0-r1] ABI_X86="(64%*) -32% (-x32)"
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/libxmlb-0.3.19 [0.3.14] USE="lzma%*"
[ebuild U ] media-libs/libgphoto2-2.5.31-r2 [2.5.31-r1]
[ebuild U ] dev-lang/python-3.11.10_p1 [3.11.9_p2]
[ebuild U ] app-portage/portage-utils-0.97 [0.96.1]
[ebuild U ] media-libs/openjpeg-2.5.2 [2.5.0-r6]
[ebuild R ] media-libs/vulkan-loader-1.3.290.0 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/protobuf-c-1.5.0-r2 [1.4.1-r1]
[ebuild rR ] dev-util/android-tools-34.0.5
[ebuild rR ] media-libs/libmediainfo-23.10
[ebuild U ] media-libs/libraw-0.21.2 [0.21.1-r1]
[ebuild U ] sys-fs/cryptsetup-2.7.5 [2.7.2]
[ebuild U ] sys-boot/grub-2.12-r5 [2.12-r4] USE="-secureboot%"
[ebuild N ] kde-frameworks/kf-env-6
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/libblockdev-3.1.1 [3.0.4]
[ebuild U ] dev-python/lxml-5.3.0 [5.2.2]
[ebuild U ] dev-python/cffi-1.17.1 [1.17.0]
[ebuild U ] dev-python/configobj-5.0.9 [5.0.8]
[ebuild U ] app-portage/mirrorselect-2.5.0 [2.4.0]
[ebuild U ] dev-python/pefile-2024.8.26 [2023.2.7] PYTHON_TARGETS="(-python3_13)"
[ebuild U ] dev-python/zope-interface-7.0.3 [6.4_p2]
[ebuild U ] dev-python/cryptography-43.0.1 [43.0.0]
[ebuild R ] dev-qt/qtgui-5.15.14 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwayland-5.15.14 USE="vulkan -compositor -debug -test"
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/compiler-rt-18.1.8-r1 [18.1.8]
[ebuild U ] dev-util/intel_clc-24.1.7 [24.1.6]
[ebuild U ] media-libs/mesa-24.1.7 [24.1.6] USE="wayland*"
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/compiler-rt-sanitizers-18.1.8-r1 [18.1.8]
[ebuild R ] x11-libs/gtk+-3.24.41-r1 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild R ] media-libs/gst-plugins-base-1.22.11-r1 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild R ] media-libs/gst-plugins-bad-1.22.11-r1 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild N ] gui-libs/libdecor-0.2.2-r1 USE="dbus gtk -examples" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)"
[ebuild N ] gui-libs/gtk-layer-shell-0.8.2 USE="-examples -gtk-doc -introspection -test -vala"
[ebuild R ] dev-cpp/gtkmm-3.24.9 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild R ] gui-libs/gtk-4.14.4-r1 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild R ] x11-apps/mesa-progs-9.0.0 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild U ] x11-terms/terminator-2.1.4 [2.1.3]
[ebuild R ] mate-base/mate-panel-1.28.1 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild R ] net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.44.1-r410 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild U ] media-libs/imlib2-1.12.3 [1.11.0] USE="-raw%"
[ebuild R ] dev-libs/libportal-0.7.1-r1 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild U ] app-office/gnucash-5.8 [5.6]
[ebuild R ] dev-qt/qtbase-6.7.2-r4 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwayland-6.7.2-r3 USE="qml vulkan -accessibility -compositor -test"
[ebuild N ] kde-frameworks/breeze-icons-6.5.0 USE="-test"
[ebuild r U ] app-text/poppler-24.08.0 [24.06.1]
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/plasma-wayland-protocols-1.13.0
[ebuild U ] app-office/libreoffice-24.2.6.2 [24.2.4.2-r1] USE="qt6%* -qt5%"
[ebuild rR ] net-print/libcupsfilters-2.0.0-r5
[ebuild N ] kde-frameworks/kguiaddons-6.5.0-r1 USE="X dbus wayland -debug -doc -test"
[ebuild N ] kde-frameworks/kwindowsystem-6.5.0-r1 USE="X wayland -debug -doc -test"
[ebuild U ] media-libs/libv4l-1.28.1 [1.26.1] USE="qt6%*"
[ebuild R ] app-crypt/pinentry-1.3.0-r3 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild R ] x11-misc/mate-notification-daemon-1.28.0 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild R ] media-libs/libsdl2-2.28.5-r2 USE="gles2* wayland*"
[ebuild U ] media-video/smplayer-23.6.0-r1 [23.6.0]
[ebuild R ] sys-block/gparted-1.6.0-r1 USE="wayland*"
[ebuild rR ] net-wireless/kismet-2022.08.1-r2
WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a dependency conflict:
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eschwartz
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Princess Nell wrote: | Sorry, the list is quite long.
The point is: everything below with USE flag wayland is new since the previous sync. Along with that, everything kde and plasma is new. I do not use KDE and do not currently have any KDE ebuilds installed, so I'm trying to figure out why portage thinks I should install this stuff.
I found that dev-libs/plasma-wayland-protocols unconditionally pulls in kde-frameworks/extra-cmake-modules. That doesn't explain all the other kde-framework ebuilds, though, or why dev-libs/plasma-wayland-protocols is there in the first place.
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[ebuild U ] media-libs/libv4l-1.28.1 [1.26.1] USE="qt6%*"
[ebuild R ] app-crypt/pinentry-1.3.0-r3 USE="wayland*"
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You(r emerge --sync) are enabling qt6 USE on libv4l and wayland USE on pinentry, these seem pretty relevant as they yank in qt6 related stuff.
What's your USE flags for pinentry? If both qt6 and wayland are enabled for pinentry, then pinentry requires kde-frameworks/kguiaddons:6 kde-frameworks/kwindowsystem:6 to implement its qt6-based wayland-supporting GUI. |
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asturm
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| There is no KDE Plasma package in your output. Only libraries that application devs use for not having to reinvent the wheel. |
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