x86 profile 23.0 and new USE flags?

[pingtoo]

[finoderi]

What would be cool to have is a Wiki page that lists all the default USE flags for all the profiles. And ideally that page would update every time there are some changes in profiles, so people who want to know what changed could just check it.

[GDH-gentoo]

[pingtoo]

[pietinger]

pingtoo,

I would like to respond to some of your arguments - that's why I numbered it:

[pingtoo]

pietinger,

First, thank you very much for your direct response. I really appreciate those points.

Total understand and agree for that thread that the original poster had misunderstand the condition, therefor he/she draw wrong conclusion. I think however it is worthy of discussion on why they draw the wrong conclusion (especially compare to if the default did not changed)

So forgive me if I interpreted you argument in wrong way.

My sense of you argument is that current setting is good enough and change to profile is harmless therefor it should be freely do so.

This is where we see it different, I am seeing as it "could" be better. I am saying if at the point of profile naming made it different (I accept that we will not use the word "version). It will make a lot easier to notice. And furthermore it even give chance to opt in.

Yes, many don't read news item, (Part of reason I suggest use profile naming change). But I think you arguments have missing the fact that if the profile default did not changed but introduce as a new profile than the reaction will be quite different. Because if someone said "after switch to the new profile" following happen that stop working and they think it should work. Then the argument that Gentoo is rolling release and it is evolving make a lot more stronger argument. (Because their choose to use new profile that have developer intent for better default.)

I don't know the effort of making profile change. So I just want to use the idea to introduce to said change default without notification is wrong. I understand that one just running emerge -uUDvp @world should/would let one know about the changes. But have you thought about that if the profile default did not changed what is that view would be? And just that there is a now profile that should one choose to move on to will be so much easier for everybody. (as those choose to stay with old default)

Any one use Gentoo for sometime already learned from running emerge -uUDvp @world when ebuild got new release for what they chooses in their package set. However It is usually mystery for someone to notice that the normal few packages change update all of certain become a very large list of thing to do.

I am NOT saying from this point onward developer *should* not make change to profile any more. I just want to brought to attention so when the decision to make change profile should be consider more carefully before proceed.

I thank you for give me the oppotunity to better explain my thoughts.

[pietinger]

[finoderi]

That person did outright stupid shit like globally setting both ~amd64 and amd64 and -qt5 and -qt6 and no amount of warnings in profile would save him from him.

[Zucca]

@finoderi: Your post on the other hand does not add anything to this topic. Watch your language and be respectful.
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[tld]

I hadn't had a chance to reply to my own thread...sort of took on a life of it's own.

I'm not sure I have any specific opinion as to the necessity of global USE chnages to existing profile versions. What did strike me though was that it's happened twice to me recently on x86 (once with qt6 and once with wayland), and in over 20 years using Gentoo I'm not sure I recall it happening ever before. That seemed odd.

Tom

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