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Zucca
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I have global -X. It worked for a while. Eventually some packages required X USE so I've been adding that to those few packages manually.
Also I completely agree to everything in what Anon-E-moose wrote. There's no point in convincing others of which is superior.
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dmpogo
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| logrusx wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: |
X-windows have a imaginative forward looking (and having survived 35 years) vision of interconnected computers displaying information on displays elsewhere |
X-windows in that regard looks forward at problems that were present in the past - huge mainframes and remote terminals. However future took an unexpected turn. Nowadays everyone has a supercomputer in 90's terms in their pocket and a super mainframe at home/work. So, no. X-windows is not forward looking. At best tangential.
Today's reality is everyone has plenty of computing power locally and don't need to draw it from somewhere else. And even if one does, it's not the way it was foreseen in the 80's.
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Why then, why did I just apply for 280320 CPU hours again on HPC cluster .... Should have used my phone. And yes, I need to visualize the output. It is exactly the picture I had in the 80-s |
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logrusx
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No one said you should not do it. I only addressed the "forward-looking" part was looking sideways.
But in the next decade or so X11 support will be less and less common. No one want's to support and maintain something so archaic that large parts of it are never used by anything.
Also you seem to be under the influence of the illusion this is the only way to do it. No one stops you to live in the 80's. You'll just find it harder and harder.
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Georgi
p.s. if you were paying that with your own money I doubt you would do it. |
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Zucca
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| logrusx wrote: | | Also you seem to be under the influence of the illusion this is the only way to do it. |
A lots of "putting words to anothers mouth" here in this topic, I see.
This topic is marching towards the senseless endless debate realm.
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logrusx
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| Zucca wrote: | | logrusx wrote: | | Also you seem to be under the influence of the illusion this is the only way to do it. |
A lots of "putting words to anothers mouth" here in this topic, I see.
This topic is marching towards the senseless endless debate realm. |
Same happens to me even unconditionally (people just straight assuming what I said instead of probing if that's so like me with "you seem to") yet I don't complain. If you're going to point it out, do so on all occasions please.
If it's worth switching, it depends on particular needs, not on false arguments which I see a lot in here. |
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Zucca
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It's just that, on this topic, I've seen lot's of passive aggressive comments towards others. Especially in the latter posts. Polite arguments seem to be turning not-so-polite.
Here are few examples from various posts: | Quote: | | If you think <blah blah>, you're wrong |
| Quote: | | why the relevance of that argument would be unclear to you |
| Quote: | | you're trying to prove there |
| Quote: | | bringing irrelevant arguments |
The question in this topic cannot be answered with plain yes or no. I'm trying here to tell people to respect each other and not let opinions and point of views escalate into senseless arguments and worse.
Because I've seen this "Xorg vs. wayland" debate escalate way too often (not necessarily on these forums).
I'm all-in wayland, but I don't bash someone who's continuing doing the opposite. We're gentoo users after all. Thus we have a choice.
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logrusx
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| You must be kidding me. I'm out of here. |
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Zucca
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Just be extra clear, I did not target the previous message to you, logrusx, but rather to all the participants of the topic.
I hope you don't feel mistreated because of this.
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lars_the_bear
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| Zucca wrote: | I'm trying here to tell people to respect each other and not let opinions and point of views escalate into senseless arguments and worse.
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For my part, I apologise. At my age, I ought to be able to resist being wound up by comments on a web forum. My bad.
BR, Lars. |
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Zucca
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No need to apologize. :)
I was merely trying to nudge this topic back to its roots.
Now... Let's get back to the topic. ;)
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dmpogo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Zucca wrote: | No need to apologize.
I was merely trying to nudge this topic back to its roots.
Now... Let's get back to the topic.  |
OK, back to the title (could not resist ) - For myself I do no find it is worth switching to wayland since it does not add anything to my needs, and takes away some options I use. |
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^Digital hugs.
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