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My biggest disappointment was when I read that the UI was heavily influenced by the btrfs UI. That UI my biggest complaint about btrfs (with the presumption that it's data-loss issues would be resolved) and one of the main benefits of ZFS.
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| pjp wrote: | | My biggest disappointment was when I read that the UI was heavily influenced by the btrfs UI. That UI my biggest complaint about btrfs (with the presumption that it's data-loss issues would be resolved) and one of the main benefits of ZFS. |
what do you mean with "UI"?
I'm a bcachefs contributor myself, and afaik, the CLI is completely different.
Nonetherless, what are your concerns?
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From what I've read, I don't see any problems with bcachefs's UI.
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| jpsollie wrote: | | what do you mean with "UI"? |
Sorry I missed your post.
Just that... the user interface. How a user interacts with the tools.
I can't find the reference now on the website, but it may have been moved to a PDF (is there really no web version?).
Searching for btrfs in the user manual PDF leads to chapter 2.5 regarding subvolumes. It mentions "a similar userspace interface as btrfs."
That leads me to believe the interface would be similar to what I experienced with btrfs. I don't know if that's exactly what I had seen on the website, but it seems close enough.
To qualify my bias, I've used ZFS and it's interface seemed intuitive. btrfs seemed the opposite. My only use of btrfs was briefly about 10 years ago in a VM to see how it compared to ZFS regarding usability / interaction.
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Moved from Unsupported Software to Gentoo Chat.
Some drama yet again.
One comment on the patreon page caught my eye: | brunoals wrote: | AGAIN?!?!?!
Didn't you calm down when you got the last drama? Why is it so hard to follow their rules? You are sending patches to the kernel THEY manage, so you have to follow THEIR rules. Be patient. Follow the release windows.
Now that you F up 3 times with your behavior, you need to be on your best behavior with them. You are digging your grave and you don't even see it. Take 1 year off from the kernel if you need then come back during a release window. You need to learn to swallow your ego otherwise someone else will swallow it themselves and multiply against you. Take a step back and reassess.
This is the last thin line before bcachefs may get rejected in the kernel because of how much disturbance you cause them regardless of whether you are right or not. Even if you are right in how the kernel should work, they manage it and you do not. Don't just go into someone else's house and define how they should be and manage their life in their own house. This is basically the same.
Calm yourself. The gun is already aiming at your foot and ready to shoot it. Don't shoot your own foot. |
There's a Phoronix article too.
*sigh*
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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yup this is not good. I was really looking forward to bcachefs ( I have it on /var/tmp as a testcase)
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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I sure hope he listens to all his patreon members. Almost everyone tells him to calm down.
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| Zucca wrote: | | I sure hope he listens to all his patreon members. Almost everyone tells him to calm down. |
They tell him that on Patreon, on LKML, on social media, in IRC...
But he is adamant that his "pushback" is because he believes something along the lines of (paraphrased) "kernel processes are broken and I'm just advocating for constructive change".
In IRC, I told him I think all his complaints about the kernel community are actually two-sided, and that "it's plainly obvious, at least to me, that a lot of kernel maintainers believe you are dismissive of them, their work, and their consensus process. They seem to feel that you believe bcachefs is so technically superior that nothing else anyone says matters... about *any* part of the kernel".
His response was to rant about how "i think that's mostly ted [Ts'o]'s character assassination" on LKML. After quite a few back and forths, I got him to admit "oh, it was off list, my bad". It is not clear to me what he now blames for the community atmosphere, if anything.
He also on IRC continues to defend his decision to sneak in a patch, by saying that "the maintainer is always right" is a huge problem and needs to be ceased, and I suppose that that means maintainers of a subsystem shouldn't be allowed to reject his patches. |
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I guess he's one of those very competent developers without proper communication skills.
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The process is more than likely flawed BUT it isn't broken. The way to advocate the change isn't to make noise as he does (that then winds people up and then he crosses the line) its to show how it can be improved (While following the process...) to win people over...
but to send patches out right before the close is just outright rude... since how can anyone review it.
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