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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Team,

It's a wise man that knows he can have the last word but chooses not to.
Please stop the pantomime.

I would split the panto out of this topic but I only have a mobile phone to work wrth for a few weeks.
Posting at all is difficult enough, never mind more complex moderator tasks.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lars_the_bear,

I did not read anywhere that our developer @asturm wrote a “Lars is stupid”, it is inappropriate to put words in his mouth.

This thread started with the question “How is the update cycle with Gentoo?” from a NEW Gentoo user. Your assumption “I'm sure that people reading this forum have sufficient smarts to work out whether my experience is relevant to them or not.” can therefore not apply to new users.

I can only recommend all new users to listen to our developers or users who have been active here for many years.

Of course, everyone is free to use their Linux installation as they wish. But if best practice is asked for, the answer must be: You should update often. If you do it differently, it is your personal pleasure, but should NOT be a recommendation. I even believe that our developers not only have the right, but even the duty to disagree.

I don't think our developers @sam- and @asturm enjoy having to make corrections all the time. It also costs them valuable time. So please refrain from recommending anything to NEW users that does not correspond to our Gentoo philosophy.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe there is a language/culture barrier but I am at my wits' end how else to tell someone that it is not in any way accurate for them to show up in every other thread with the same story of how they struggled to deal with Gentoo, without disclosing the special setup they tried to run on multiple systems while not realising the implications of syncing sources at different times from a rolling release distribution. We've all been there, in one way or the other, learning from our first failed attempt at running a Gentoo system [and there's no shame in that].
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is one of unstated assumptions.

Lars has gone off the 'Gentoo piste' and encountered problems of his own making.
The regulars here know that. He has recounted his personal experience accurately but without the context that would help a new user realise that his experience is not typical.

asturm called him for that, which is how the forums work. I've been called for getting it wrong too.

Lars, the correct course of action would have been to add it to your 'Things I Learned Today' list, post an acknowledgment and move on.

None of this helps the OP, so it does not belong in the topic.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
None of this helps the OP, so it does not belong in the topic.

I'm just enjoying the show to be honest...
Still it's great to see everyone can speak their minds freely without getting insta-ban as long as they don't do anything against the rules. In a certain forum ahem ahem arch, just asking a simple question that they assume everyone knows is a... Well not a ban reason but enough reason to get a horrible treatment by even moderators. I have seen that you need to earn that "Controversial Guy" title here. Not to mention you need to repeat mistakes many times to achieve that.

Getting back to the topic. I am kind of busy with schoolwork so I couldn't install the system on bare-metal yet. But everyone (yes, even Lars) showed me how important it is to update your system once in a while. I'm thinking 2 weeks to 3 weeks will be enough for me, maybe even weekly. That's kind of what I'm used to anyways. The fact that I'm going to containerize everything makes this easier for me, I can update the system separately from the apps and that's a great plus for me because I always want to be up to date with my browser, which I will run as a flatpak. But let's say for core utils I don't really mind being a week behind. I have a strong enough computer and writing `sudo emerge --sync` once in a while doesn't hurt my hands.
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