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asturm
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| Spanik wrote: | | I have been telling you that I'm using x11 |
You've been quoting Wayland related stuff. I only have the choice of taking you serious, or be dismissive about what you're telling us. I chose the former.
| Spanik wrote: | | The issues I find are "since kde/plasma made the switch to wayland", forcing me to enable the wayland use flag. |
As I have been pointing out countless times, enabling the wayland use flag is completely irrelevant for your X session.
And I'm sorry to disappoint you - I just went back to a Plasma X11 session (for the first time in maybe a year), opened a few applications, logged out and back in again, and it perfectly restored all windows that were open, on the exact same positions they had been pre-logout.
| Spanik wrote: | | That is something you have to read about in the KDE sites: the old x11 session restore isn't used anymore even in an x11 session because the "fake session restore" they have devised is "working there as good in x11". Their words, not mine. |
Show us exactly where you read that.
| Spanik wrote: | | asturm wrote: | | Which is it now, "daily" or 3 times in several months? :roll: |
Ok, that daily was an exageration. Less than daily, I don't use the pc daily the last weeks. Job got in the way. I just clicked them away as everything kept working. |
Don't you understand how incredibly frustrating it is dealing with stupid stuff like that? Whatever you say we can take nothing for granted.
| Spanik wrote: | | keekkenen wrote: | I'd only one problem with plasma. It's any apps freeze if they use file systems.
What's trouble? I'm using samba mount NAS shared folders and if I switch to another Wi-Fi, it means changing network and after that, any actions with Kate, Dophin, etc, I mean any file operation blocked the application for a long time. Its behavior could more smart. |
Could be. It is always at the beginning when it is reading the content of the cd and then again when it has to write a ripped file to the disk. I have checked cpu usage but that is at 0.2%. And it is indeed typically Kate and Dolphin locking up until audex has done reading/writing. |
If that's your takeaway, do we have to assume you were storing your CD rips on a networked file system and changed Wi-Fi whilst ripping? You've just not been telling us about that habit? |
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logrusx
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2025 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanik wrote: |
- when you open Dolphin and you have a list of 2000 files. You now put your mouse in the scrollbar halfway and click. With kde5 it would act as a "page down" so you could scroll fast through the files. With kde6 it jups to where your cursor stands, to halfway down the list. This is not limited to Dolphin but all applications showing a scrollbar. Both horizontal and vertical scrollbars.
- I use "focus follows mouse" and focus stealing prevention "high". In kde5 when you launch an application from the menu it comes to the front of the window stack. In kde6 in goes to the back of the stack. Even windows like hen you power down or restart.
- if you middle-click on an active application in the taskbar to open another instance the new instance comes at the back of the window stack, not the front like kde5
- if you open an application in a virtual desktop and you switch desktop before it has opened completely then it opens in the last desktop, not the one it was started in
- I have set that I only want to see in the taskbar the windows of the desktop I'm working on. But it still shows those from other windows if they pop up on another desktop
- even when an application pops up a dialog box it ends up on the bottom of the window stack. This is mostly visible in Gimp where dialog boxes (like if you want to rotate at open, or what to do with the color profile) when you open a file end up not noticed because they are hidden behind the main application.
All in all a bunch of minor things but they make a break from how kde has always been behaving.
| asturm wrote: | | That's it? You're just accepting a clear anomaly that no one else seems to have? |
Yes. I find very little about Audex, there seem to be not much users at all. and I'm not happy about a few other things as well. But it is so far the only ripper I found that treats characters with all sorts of accents without issues. And as it is only when you put in a new cd to be ripped it is managable.
So yes, I put up with it.
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Could you try if a newly created user experiences the same or less issues? I'm sorry if you've already been asked that.
Best Regards,
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Spanik
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2025 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| asturm wrote: | | And I'm sorry to disappoint you - I just went back to a Plasma X11 session (for the first time in maybe a year), opened a few applications, logged out and back in again, and it perfectly restored all windows that were open, on the exact same positions they had been pre-logout. |
Same applies to you: what applications did you use? Dolphin does come back. But on kde5 it shows the same directory with the last file you selected highlighted. On kde it comes back but all open Dolphin windows show the same directory and no file highlighted, just the top of that directory.
And I'm sorry to disappoint you - I just went back to a Plasma X11 session (for the first time in maybe a year), opened a few applications, logged out and back in again, and it perfectly restored all windows that | Spanik wrote: | | That is something you have to read about in the KDE sites: the old x11 session restore isn't used anymore even in an x11 session because the "fake session restore" they have devised is "working there as good in x11". Their words, not mine. |
Show us exactly where you read that.[/quote]
Like here, from one involved in kde design so likely following it: https://pointieststick.com/2024/02/23/this-week-in-kde-real-fake-session-restore/
| Quote: | New Features
Even though we don’t have real session restore on Wayland yet (it’s still waiting for the protocol to be finalized), now we have the next best thing: fake session restore that simply re-opens apps you had open at the last logout and relies on them to have internally saved their own state appropriately. This works on X11 too (where apps that remember their window positions can do that as well), and it applies to all windows not covered by real session restore. As a result, now all your apps should always re-launch properly on login, rather than only the random-seeing assortment of session-restore-supporting apps re-launching on login. This feature is controlled by the existing setting that turns on or off session restore (David Edmundson, Plasma 6.1. Link) |
Just of them if you xcare to search a bit.
| asturm wrote: | | Spanik wrote: | | keekkenen wrote: | I'd only one problem with plasma. It's any apps freeze if they use file systems.
What's trouble? I'm using samba mount NAS shared folders and if I switch to another Wi-Fi, it means changing network and after that, any actions with Kate, Dophin, etc, I mean any file operation blocked the application for a long time. Its behavior could more smart. |
Could be. It is always at the beginning when it is reading the content of the cd and then again when it has to write a ripped file to the disk. I have checked cpu usage but that is at 0.2%. And it is indeed typically Kate and Dolphin locking up until audex has done reading/writing. |
If that's your takeaway, do we have to assume you were storing your CD rips on a networked file system and changed Wi-Fi whilst ripping? You've just not been telling us about that habit? |
Now you're just looking for excuses. keekkenen just mentions his experiences, I list mine and you just jump to the conclusion that I'm writing to a networked file system.
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asturm
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2025 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Spanik, that quote you make use of does not say what you think it says.
| Spanik wrote: | | asturm wrote: | | And I'm sorry to disappoint you - I just went back to a Plasma X11 session (for the first time in maybe a year), opened a few applications, logged out and back in again, and it perfectly restored all windows that were open, on the exact same positions they had been pre-logout. |
Same applies to you: what applications did you use? Dolphin does come back. But on kde5 it shows the same directory with the last file you selected highlighted. On kde it comes back but all open Dolphin windows show the same directory and no file highlighted, just the top of that directory. |
It works exactly as you describe in Plasma 6 X11 session for me, same as in Plasma 5. Not just for dolphin, which restores all tabs last opened with the last selected file still selected; also non-KDE stuff like Firefox is being restored.
| Spanik wrote: | | Now you're just looking for excuses. keekkenen just mentions his experiences, I list mine and you just jump to the conclusion that I'm writing to a networked file system. |
No, I'm calling you out for jumping at the first thing that only vaguely appears to confirm your dangerous half knowledge, but as I have already told you - you surely haven't missed - that audex works just fine on my system, and considering the way this thread has gone so far, I must assume the possibility of it being exactly the way it is as I so pointedly inferred. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2025 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Arguing is pointless here. OP experience something that's real issue for him. If no one else shares his experience, that doesn't mean it's not an issue for him. |
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asturm
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2025 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course they are issues. I have been actively telling the OP they are issues when they were prepared to give up by blaming something unrelated that is not active in their X11 session. Maybe once they acknowledge that, they can work towards fixing their system issues one by one. And I'm talking about the real showstoppers there, not the Plasma/Qt6 behavior changes that are a mix of, well, a real behavior change, non-modal popup window bug and likely over-aggressive focus stealing prevention settings while naturally making small mouse movements the system will interpret as focus preference for "focus follows mouse". And we only got to know these details because I had to ask, not twice, but multiple times for it ... |
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When I was still working in support 35 years ago, there was a good saying: “An exact error description is half the solution.” Yes, I understand that people can get in a bad mood if they have to ask several times - I also understand bad moods when something doesn't work the way you want it to. A bad mood can sometimes lead to a loss of respect. This should be avoided here, otherwise a moderator would have to intervene.
@Spanik: The question from @logrusx (to try it with a newly created user) is very good and should really be done. Because then it can be checked whether some user settings are responsible for your problems.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Spanik, this thread is way too bloated to appeal to anyone who can help and it's in part your fault because of the generic title and claims. Had you pursued a particular issue it would have gone way more productive. Now that many side issues are solved, I suggest opening separate threads for separate issues, one of them in Kernel & Hardware hunting your fs performance issues. Go and ask the KDE community about the focus issues you're having, there might be a setting for that you don't know. I don't know if they have IRC channels, but that would be a good idea to check. If not, there should be plenty of online places to ask that question. This thread is not likely to yield any further results.
Also I don't know how old you are, but slow periphery like optical drives have always caused slowdowns and many times it was the fault of the DMA controller or other stuff on the motherboard. Back in the late 90's I owned a motherboard which, when Windows stuck(95/98 back then), the music was the last thing to stop playing and usually it was the first thing to suffer with other motherboards. Since then I haven't owned such good hardware.
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Spanik
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| logrusx wrote: | Spanik, this thread is way too bloated to appeal to anyone who can help and it's in part your fault because of the generic title and claims. Had you pursued a particular issue it would have gone way more productive. Now that many side issues are solved, I suggest opening separate threads for separate issues, one of them in Kernel & Hardware hunting your fs performance issues. Go and ask the KDE community about the focus issues you're having, there might be a setting for that you don't know. I don't know if they have IRC channels, but that would be a good idea to check. If not, there should be plenty of online places to ask that question. This thread is not likely to yield any further results.
Also I don't know how old you are, but slow periphery like optical drives have always caused slowdowns and many times it was the fault of the DMA controller or other stuff on the motherboard. Back in the late 90's I owned a motherboard which, when Windows stuck(95/98 back then), the music was the last thing to stop playing and usually it was the first thing to suffer with other motherboards. Since then I haven't owned such good hardware.
Best Regards,
Georgi |
That was my suggestion as well in the post after I had being able to upgrade everything. Right now I m having other (more important) issues with the system so I'll have to open threads for that.
Something that doesn't seem to be understood always is that not everybody is a programmer and not everybody lives behind his/her keyboard.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2025 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanik wrote: |
Something that doesn't seem to be understood always is that not everybody is a programmer and not everybody lives behind his/her keyboard. |
Don't worry, it's easy you'll get it :) |
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We do not expect all users to be programmers, but we do expect users to follow instructions and to focus on the problem at hand. As asturm noted, we had to work quite hard to get you to provide enough information that we could even start to work on the problem. Personally, when volunteering my time, I do not always have the patience to deal with users who require me to keep repeating the same questions, and I may instead leave the thread until the questions are answered. Yes, in some cases, that causes a thread to go idle if no one else steps in to remind the user to follow the instructions they were already given. Fortunately, in this case, various posters did keep pushing and some progress was made.
We also don't expect everyone to be highly responsive, but by the same measure, a user who goes long periods without responding to requests may find no one left to answer when the thread is finally revived. A user who goes long periods without reporting issues will be in an even worse situation, because we must start with a fairly broad list of possible explanations. Consider the difference between "I upgraded my kernel from 6.10 to 6.11 and <thing> broke" versus "I switched my system from profile 17.0 to 23.0, updated all packages to current, changed from kernel 5.4 to 6.13, and now <thing> is broken." The latter has a much larger set of possible causes, and unless someone happens to recognize the reported symptom, triage could be quite time consuming.
As a general etiquette note, when starting follow-on threads (which I think is appropriate here), consider including in each new thread a link back here, and a final reply here listing the new threads, so that people know (1) the new threads are available and (2) where to find them, without needing to search all posts by your account. |
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Now I have a problem with the kernel but after this I'm not sure I want to ask help here.
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