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mariourk l33t
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 807 Location: Urk, Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject: when will lilo be AMD64 compatible? |
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Does anyone know when I can use lilo om my AMD64 system?
I tried grub-static but this resulted in a messed up partition table, so I had
to start all over.
I now use Knoppix to install lilo on my MBR and make a new kernel bootable.
Hopefully I can do it the normal way soon... |
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secondshadow Guru
Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 362
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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couldn't you build a static 32-bit lilo? |
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mariourk l33t
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 807 Location: Urk, Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Eeeeh, how do I do that????? |
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secondshadow Guru
Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 362
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I'll let you know later tonight when my Athlon64 system is built. I'm shutting down in about 5 minutes to go do that |
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mariourk l33t
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 807 Location: Urk, Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'm looking forward to it. |
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secondshadow Guru
Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 362
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I ended up just learning grub...I may end up testing lilo anyhow though |
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molander Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Posts: 110 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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mariourk wrote: | Eeeeh, how do I do that????? |
I would just use grub-static its much more flexible and failsafe. |
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Corona688 Veteran
Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a second reccomendation for using grub-static, it's what I use. I like it... it understands just enough about partitions that it doesn't have to cache sector numbers to load your kernel. Whereas with lilo, if you forget to run lilo after you overwrite your kernel binary, you're /screwed/. |
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Crispy Beef Apprentice
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Posts: 194 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I got grub-static to work on my system, previously I had been using lilo but now I think I've been converted. Would be nice to have a full 64-bit version of grub, but the static version has been working nicely for the last month or so. _________________ --
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mariourk l33t
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 807 Location: Urk, Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Corona688 wrote: | Here's a second reccomendation for using grub-static, it's what I use. I like it... it understands just enough about partitions that it doesn't have to cache sector numbers to load your kernel. Whereas with lilo, if you forget to run lilo after you overwrite your kernel binary, you're /screwed/. |
Screwed?? Comeon!! Ofcource you're not screwed.
Boot with a bootable Linux cd, like the lifecd's or Knoppix. Chroot to your Gentoo installation and run lilo. Problem solved, you can boot your kernel. |
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secondshadow Guru
Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 362
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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mariourk wrote: | Corona688 wrote: | Here's a second reccomendation for using grub-static, it's what I use. I like it... it understands just enough about partitions that it doesn't have to cache sector numbers to load your kernel. Whereas with lilo, if you forget to run lilo after you overwrite your kernel binary, you're /screwed/. |
Screwed?? Comeon!! Ofcource you're not screwed.
Boot with a bootable Linux cd, like the lifecd's or Knoppix. Chroot to your Gentoo installation and run lilo. Problem solved, you can boot your kernel. |
But what about people running older machines that don't have a CD ROM? If, at that point, you've forgotten to create a bootdisk or just plain don't have any floppies (this happens to me all the time...I just use my iPod for school work ) then you really are kinda screwed. But all the same, I'm still more comfortable with lilo since I've been setting that up since RH 5.2.... |
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molander Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Posts: 110 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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secondshadow wrote: | mariourk wrote: | Corona688 wrote: | Here's a second reccomendation for using grub-static, it's what I use. I like it... it understands just enough about partitions that it doesn't have to cache sector numbers to load your kernel. Whereas with lilo, if you forget to run lilo after you overwrite your kernel binary, you're /screwed/. |
Screwed?? Comeon!! Ofcource you're not screwed.
Boot with a bootable Linux cd, like the lifecd's or Knoppix. Chroot to your Gentoo installation and run lilo. Problem solved, you can boot your kernel. |
But what about people running older machines that don't have a CD ROM? If, at that point, you've forgotten to create a bootdisk or just plain don't have any floppies (this happens to me all the time...I just use my iPod for school work ) then you really are kinda screwed. But all the same, I'm still more comfortable with lilo since I've been setting that up since RH 5.2.... |
Shoot I have an amd64 box without a cdrom... Once they boot off the HD they are good to go. |
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mariourk l33t
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 807 Location: Urk, Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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In that case you jank out a cdromplayer from some other pc. |
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Redeeman l33t
Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Posts: 958 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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lilo will NOT work, only if you also have a 32bit installation to install it from. as lilo is 32bit assembly, it will NOT run on a 64bit OS, the same with grub, its 32bit assembly, therefore they have a grub-static package, which is a binary package of grub (and built on a p4 system) |
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secondshadow Guru
Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 362
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Redeeman wrote: | lilo will NOT work, only if you also have a 32bit installation to install it from. as lilo is 32bit assembly, it will NOT run on a 64bit OS, the same with grub, its 32bit assembly, therefore they have a grub-static package, which is a binary package of grub (and built on a p4 system) |
Well...you just contradicted yourself. Basically what you are saying is that if someone would create a "lilo-static" using an x86 it would be okay. |
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jdong n00b
Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 41
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:43 am Post subject: |
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mariourk wrote: | Corona688 wrote: | Here's a second reccomendation for using grub-static, it's what I use. I like it... it understands just enough about partitions that it doesn't have to cache sector numbers to load your kernel. Whereas with lilo, if you forget to run lilo after you overwrite your kernel binary, you're /screwed/. |
Screwed?? Comeon!! Ofcource you're not screwed.
Boot with a bootable Linux cd, like the lifecd's or Knoppix. Chroot to your Gentoo installation and run lilo. Problem solved, you can boot your kernel. |
Actually, Knoppix will NOT work -- it's a 32-bit distro, and you can't chroot to a 64-bit environment with a 32-bit kernel. You'll have to use the Gentoo AMD64 livecd... |
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secondshadow Guru
Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 362
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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jdong: ummmmmmm....if your just doing it to install grub it'll work just fine as grub on the AMD64 is a statically linked 32-bit binary...hence grub-static....and as far as LILO is concerned, this is a moot point since it doesn't work. |
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jdong n00b
Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 41
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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secondshadow wrote: | jdong: ummmmmmm....if your just doing it to install grub it'll work just fine as grub on the AMD64 is a statically linked 32-bit binary...hence grub-static....and as far as LILO is concerned, this is a moot point since it doesn't work. |
Which bash shell will it use? |
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secondshadow Guru
Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 362
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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wtf are you talking about. neither grub or lilo use bash. |
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mariourk l33t
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 807 Location: Urk, Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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jdong wrote: | mariourk wrote: | Corona688 wrote: | Here's a second reccomendation for using grub-static, it's what I use. I like it... it understands just enough about partitions that it doesn't have to cache sector numbers to load your kernel. Whereas with lilo, if you forget to run lilo after you overwrite your kernel binary, you're /screwed/. |
Screwed?? Comeon!! Ofcource you're not screwed.
Boot with a bootable Linux cd, like the lifecd's or Knoppix. Chroot to your Gentoo installation and run lilo. Problem solved, you can boot your kernel. |
Actually, Knoppix will NOT work -- it's a 32-bit distro, and you can't chroot to a 64-bit environment with a 32-bit kernel. You'll have to use the Gentoo AMD64 livecd... |
I can ensure you that this will work fine. This is how I build my bootloader
while Lilo still isn't AMD64 compitible. Everytime when I have build a new
new kernel, I boot with knoppix and do my thing. After this I can boot my pc
and use lilo to boot a kernel or windows. |
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Little Nemo l33t
Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 623 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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I've used lilo until I set up Gentoo on my Athlon 64 system. There's no way I'll ever go back to lilo. I've just used grub for another system which mixes IDE and SCSI disks. I vividly remember what a pain it was to get this to work with lilo. Any error you make in your grub.conf is easily overcome by editing menu entries in grub before booting. Bye bye lilo! |
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mariourk l33t
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 807 Location: Urk, Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Well I screwed my system once with grub. So I'll rather stick with lilo.
It's just a personal feeling. I know and understand lilo and I have no
desire to use something else as long as it works.
But if some else won't agree with me and wants to use grub,
be my guest. That's what Open-Source is all about. If you don't
like it, change it just the way you want it |
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Little Nemo l33t
Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 623 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Of course you're right, it's all about freedom of choice. I still think you should give grub a second chance. Are you sure it was grub that screwed up your partition table? I wouldn't understand how that could have happened. |
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