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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Network with IDE cable from one to another mobo Reply with quote

I know it sounds stupid, but I think it can work... I wanna fit two mobo's in one case and need to connect them in some way... If I could connect them with an IDE cable it would not only be very fast but it would also mean I don't need any network card or cable in it, which would save space (as there are no cards in it at all in that case)... I think no such thing exists to use them when they're connected, but I just want to know if it would be possible to write a network wrapper for a direct IDE connection...
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P.s. If it's not possible you might have another good idea to connect them to eachother? :wink:
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, not possible - unless you enjoy breaking mainboards, a lot.
The IDE interfaces are typically not buffered or otherwise protected against mishaps - the drive's interface just needs to take care, and there's never anything else on an IDE cable.

I think connecting up two mainboards this way is a very expensive fireworks experiment - you get to keep all the bits.

EDIT: and that's not even counting the practical problems - you simply can't.
When your PC boots up, everything is in the hands of the BIOS - which checks the IDE interfaces for connected devices.
Because both systems will try the same routine they will both b0rk - hard, since there're no actual drives on it.

Why not use 100mbit, or even gigabit ethernet?
Or firewire, or USB 2.0, or...
Plenty of secure, cheaper alternatives.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats so funny. It would, like the above says be quite exciting when you turned on the system, until it went fiz and you started to get blue smoke.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

USB sounds like a particularly good idea. Firewire too... Most motherboards now come with a header you can use to connect things like the front panel of some cases... you could use the same thing to wire the two boards together. I wonder if you would need some kind of device in the middle though. :-)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Connection Reply with quote

It are two P1 boards, without USB or firewire on them... So in that case I'd need to buy 2 USB cards + the cable, which would be a bit more expensive... I have a few network cards lying around though... Don't know if I have two 100 mbit cards, but that won't be much of a problem... It would just be a lot nicer to connect them in a simpler way...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no simpler way than via Ethernet - trust me ;-)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trejkaz wrote:
USB sounds like a particularly good idea. Firewire too... Most motherboards now come with a header you can use to connect things like the front panel of some cases... you could use the same thing to wire the two boards together. I wonder if you would need some kind of device in the middle though. :-)

You do - if you buy a USB network cable (a "null-usb" cable, let's call it) it has a little thingy in the middle which probably crosses the wires and takes care of the resistance and stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:42 pm    Post subject: ^o) Reply with quote

Well I have two mobo's on one psu, in one case, so I really need something simple to connect them... Best would be intern connection... There's some more info about the mobo's here: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/tc430Hx/index.htm. I don't mind doing some soldering if that's needed.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you have experience in soldering microelectronics I wouldn't recommend it - there are plenty of components on the board that will fry as soon as you heat them a hair above their limits.
This is usually done by robots with millisecond precision.

There is nothing you can connect them with - why do you persist in wanting it ?
Two 100mbit NICs cost about €5 each, add in another €5 for a short crosscable and that's it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:45 pm    Post subject: Space Reply with quote

It's not all about money, it's about space too... anyway, I think I'll go for the ethernet option as it indeed is easiest to set up...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Space Reply with quote

mycroes wrote:
It's not all about money, it's about space too... anyway, I think I'll go for the ethernet option as it indeed is easiest to set up...
Greetings,

Michael

There was a project where you could connect multiple motherboards via scsi but not sure if it is still alive.
You wouldn't be able to do this with normal ide.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:03 pm    Post subject: My first question would be... Reply with quote

I have found that we geeks (yeah, I know... speak for myself! :) ) are sometimes too literal minded. With that in mind, I would ask....

****WHY**** do you want to connect them? In other words, what is the desired result of connecting them? To share a single (or multiple) hard drives? Frankensteined SMP server, what? 8O

BTW, Netgear 10/100 PCI cards are less than $20 brand new, and they are of a pretty good quality.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: My first question would be... Reply with quote

Sir_Chancealot wrote:
I have found that we geeks (yeah, I know... speak for myself! :) ) are sometimes too literal minded. With that in mind, I would ask....

****WHY**** do you want to connect them? In other words, what is the desired result of connecting them? To share a single (or multiple) hard drives? Frankensteined SMP server, what? 8O

BTW, Netgear 10/100 PCI cards are less than $20 brand new, and they are of a pretty good quality.

SCSI is about 3 times faster than gigbit network cards, so having a whole bunch other motherboards connected by scsi would be very nice I would think for things like mosix clusters etc..
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: My first question would be... Reply with quote

Sir_Chancealot wrote:
I have found that we geeks (yeah, I know... speak for myself! :) ) are sometimes too literal minded. With that in mind, I would ask....

****WHY**** do you want to connect them? In other words, what is the desired result of connecting them? To share a single (or multiple) hard drives? Frankensteined SMP server, what? 8O

BTW, Netgear 10/100 PCI cards are less than $20 brand new, and they are of a pretty good quality.

I want to connect them because there's only one free ethernet port left in my hub, and I have 3 other pc's I might want to connect in a near future... I believe I saw some 10/100 cards with Realtek chipset for € 3 not very long ago... Not sure about the Realtek chipsets, but they were € 3... But as I said... Still takes up the space...
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