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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:07 am    Post subject: Bash 4.3 - not available at all? Reply with quote

Hello,

I am using Gentoo since about a year now and I am really excited about it. There is one small issue I am not getting ahead of:
I wanted to update to bash 4.3 (lot's of cool new features), but there doesn't seem to be a version for any system in the gentoo repos (http://packages.gentoo.org/package/app-shells/bash), despite the ebuild gots updated frequently.

Using equery got me this result:

Code:

$ equery y bash
Keywords for app-shells/bash:
           |                             | u     | 
           | a a   a           p     s   | n     | 
           | l m   r h i m m   p s   p   | u s   | r
           | p d a m p a 6 i p c 3   a x | s l   | e
           | h 6 r 6 p 6 8 p p 6 9 s r 8 | e o   | p
           | a 4 m 4 a 4 k s c 4 0 h c 6 | d t   | o
-----------+-----------------------------+-------+-------
   3.1_p17 | + + + + + + + ~ + + + + + + | o 3.1 | gentoo
   3.1_p18 | + + + ~ + + ~ ~ + + ~ ~ + + | o     | gentoo
-----------+-----------------------------+-------+-------
   3.2_p51 | + + + + + + + ~ + + + + + + | o 3.2 | gentoo
   3.2_p52 | + + + ~ + + ~ ~ + + ~ ~ + + | o     | gentoo
-----------+-----------------------------+-------+-------
   4.0_p38 | + + + + + + + ~ + + + + + + | o 4.0 | gentoo
   4.0_p39 | + + + ~ + + ~ ~ + + ~ ~ + + | o     | gentoo
-----------+-----------------------------+-------+-------
   4.1_p11 | + + + + + + + ~ + + + + + + | o 4.1 | gentoo
   4.1_p12 | + + + ~ + + ~ ~ + + ~ ~ + + | o     | gentoo
-----------+-----------------------------+-------+-------
   4.2_p45 | + + + + + + + ~ + + + + + + | o 0   | gentoo
[I]4.2_p48 | + + + ~ + + ~ ~ + + ~ ~ + + | o     | gentoo
   4.3_p25 | o o o o o o o o o o o o o o | o     | gentoo


I think the o's are equal to the packages website showing nothing. I opened the ebuild and found the list of architectures commented.

Can someone please explain me this? What is the meaning of this?

Many thanks :)

Sebastian
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool I didn t knew there is this equery y package thing.

Well it needs more testing. As any package it is red, i think it is called hard masked.

If you are interested on testing you should check bugs.gentoo.org.

usually these packages have lots of bugs on them. and there was in the past some period until a package gets marked ~ and than stable, no idea if that policy has changed.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw04l124 wrote:
As any package it is red, i think it is called hard masked.

Not hardmasked but unkeyworded.
Put this into your package.accept_keywords if you REALLY want to test it.
Code:
app-shells/bash **

But be aware that bash is deeply integrated into the system. Some things might not work as expected, even portage may break! Better wait some time. Or use zsh, which has even more awesome features and is not used directly by the system, so using testing/hard masked versions won't do any harm to your system.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

franzf wrote:
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Not hardmasked but unkeyworded.
Put this into your package.accept_keywords if you REALLY want to test it.
Code:
app-shells/bash **

But be aware that bash is deeply integrated into the system. Some things might not work as expected, even portage may break! Better wait some time. Or use zsh, which has even more awesome features and is not used directly by the
system, so using testing/hard masked versions won't do any harm to your system.


Thanks a lot for your answere. Is this a standard-procedure? I thought that is what hardmasks are for?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's standard procedure. It all depends on what level of risk you're prepared for. At this point, you should hear a faint, ghostly whisper of, "You do have backups, don't you?" ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks John, that finally made it clear to me! :D - And of course I have backups ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unkeyworded basically means that the package wasn't really tested at all. The ** override was intended as a last-resort override for developers, unfortunately it has become somewhat common practice due to an increased number of unkeyworded packages in the tree.
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