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tld
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| depontius wrote: | | I wonder how much penetration systemd has in the big-server space. I strongly suspect that most - conservative - IT staffs are not in a hurry to make that move, except with an experimental pool. |
Totally. I keep saying that, unless something radically changes in the meantime, the shit will start hitting the fan when the EOL for RHEL and CentOS 6 starts approaching. I have to think that a lot of IT people who know what a good Linux server is aren't gonna sit still for systemd at all.
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| tld wrote: | | I keep saying that, unless something radically changes in the meantime, the shit will start hitting the fan when the EOL for RHEL and CentOS 6 starts approaching. |
I wonder if Devuan can be installed (or rather upgraded to by changing the repository URLs) in place of old Debian, just like a drop-in replacement and then continue from there. If that's the case, I see many (maybe not majority) Debian servers just moving to Devuan. But first it has to make more coverage as a real alternative to Debian.
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| Zucca wrote: | | I wonder if Devuan can be installed (or rather upgraded to by changing the repository URLs) in place of old Debian, just like a drop-in replacement and then continue from there. |
that's exactly how it is. wheezy and jessie are devuan supported, with a simple straightforward update/upgrade after changing repos. after all, it was (still is?) debian.
http://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/devuan-talk-version |
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Well. There you have it. :D
I think it's an obvious choice for servers at least.
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| Zucca wrote: | Well. There you have it. 
I think it's an obvious choice for servers at least. |
exactly, I replaced a Raspbian wheezy on a Raspberry 2 to Devuan shortly
before the offical 1.0 release. went through without a hitch. only had to
remove a couple of services I dont need on the raspi.
indeed quite happy with the result after about a fortnight uptime  |
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While not related to systemd specifically, I've always managed to also avoid dbus whenever possible, specifically on my MythTV machines (https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580856). I was sort of pissed off when I discovered that as of x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-381.x dbus is required in order to have nvidia-settings (the tools USE flag)...ffs. I realized that I couldn't remember the last time I actually used that, so I just went with -tools. I'm glad they at least have nvidia-smi, which is a great light weight cli tool...so I'll give them that at least. I actually use that in a background script that monitors by GPU temperature to alert me in case my GPU fan starts going (has happened a few times). Not a good trend though.
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NeddySeagoon
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Locked in favour of The Politics of systemd Part 3
Please continue there.
At 29 pages, we have almost reached a forum limit.
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