Simple n00b problem

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

Hey guys

I had started a thread earlier about this but my eagerness and my excitement made me much up that thread, so here is a new one in the right forum this time and with more info. Hopefully I can get an answer this time

MADbull has been helping me but now we're both confused. Here is my problem:

I have just installed Gentoo 1.4 and I have everything working accept for one problem. I seem to have run into some network problems.

At bootup, I get this message:

MADcow · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:34 am Post subject:

that part about the via-rhine was confusing, let me say one thing
you either want it COMPILED IN (y in menuconfig and then remake bzImage, you know the deal) or
as a module (Y in menuconfig and then make modules modules_install) and add via-rhine to /etc/modules.autoload OR (if you use multiple kernel versions and only want it to load when you run 2.4 add it to /etc/modules.autoload.d/2.4 you DON"t need it in both. putting it in /etc/modules.autoload is probably better. remember, # denotes a comment as in most config files.

also check out /etc/init.d/net.eth0 one more time, remember, you want to use DHCPCD (dhcp Client Daemon). dhcp can be started manually using dhcpcd <iface> like this:
ifconfig eth0 down;ifconfig eth0 up&&dhcpcd eth0
but you DON'T need to do that. that is what the init script does for you on boot, or when you call /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start.

or somehting

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

tried doing so - same thing - same error - same problem.

digitalsy · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:28 am Post subject:

As I asked before, is your ethernet an onboard ethernet controller if so make sure it is ENABLED in the BIOS.
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Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

It is - I'm sorry I forgot to mention that - I checked and it was infact enabled. I even set it as the 3rd boot option.

digitalsy · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:10 am Post subject:

well if it's enabled, your kernel should see it when you do a dmesg | less it should show up as eth0...which it's not, so I'm guessing something is wrong with the onboard network interface....try putting a pci network card in, and see if you get an eth0 in your dmesg. If you do then something's wrong with your onboard interface.
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jaska · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:24 am Post subject:

The problem could be unresolved symbols in the via-rhine drivers. Via-rhine drivers for network cards have never been too great in the past but still. You probably should go buy a good and cheap realtek 8139 based card if you cannot get this working.

digitalsy · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:19 pm Post subject:

Onboard components suck, don't try going all cheap and integrated you'll just end up having problems and buying pci cards in the end. Grab yourself a D-Link 538-TX (8139 Realtek chip) the module to load would be 8139too

-digi
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Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

Saying that onboard components suck is pretty uneducated my friend... It is MUCH faster than my network card - when I bought my new mobo I threw the network card out because the new onboard one was so much better. Remember, not EVERYONE uses linux

- When this was a winbloze box it DID work

Anyways, dmesg isn't working for me... i have other network cards available to me... Must I go through with having this as my LAN connection and not my mobo's?

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

I just put in an old 8139 card I found and I compiled them into the kernel - not modules...

STILL DOESNT WORK
I don't care HOW i have to get net connections working but I need it. What the hell am I doing wrong? No matter what fuggin driver I use and how I use it nothing works. Is there a simple way to do this step by step??

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

Found something interesting...

Right now, at the bottom of the output of dmesg | less it gives me something like this:

8139too Ethernet Driver (and blah blah blah model number blah)

is this a good thing? If so, how can I get these drivers activated and working at the start?

kwiqsilver · Guru Joined: 19 Mar 2003 Posts: 360

That's not true at all.
Do you run PCI card based ATAPI controllers? Or can you not trust your integrated PCI controller?
Integration is not any worse than external components. Quite the opposite: integration reduces latency.
Everything on my notebook is integrated (except the graphics), and I've never had a problem. I have an Epia based car PC with integrated everything, and it works great, with the via-rhine driver. My newest PC has integrated sound and networking (in adition to the normal stuff) and works perfectly as well (another via-rhine chip).
The only integrated part I would never want is integrated video, and that's only because it has a slower chip and uses the system RAM. I'd rather spend $35 on a geForce4MX with 64MB to get top quality 2D and passable 3D.
But if anybody integrated 64MB ino the on-board video, I wouldn't complain.
All three of my boxes run gentoo flawlessly with their integrated parts.

kwiqsilver · Guru Joined: 19 Mar 2003 Posts: 360

Aman, run "lspci" as root, and post the results here.
It's part of the pciutils package.

Unless you have a realtek card in there, you shouldn't be getting a message about the 8139too driver.
It might be trying to load that module because you put it in /etc/modules.autoload or because you compiled that driver into the kernel (there are a few drivers set by default in the packages).
In either case, if the card isn't there, the driver is useless.
lspci will let us know what you have and what drivers you need.

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

lol run isn't a command...
I'm sorry, i don't understand - what do i type to run lspci?

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

by the way, I DO have a realtek card I just installed - however when I plug in a cable to the card it doesn't light up like its supposed to - when i compiled support in for that it didn't work.

MADcow · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:05 pm Post subject:

most of my boxes have intergrated lan+sound. all of them work fine. as well as one box with onboard video.
(those are desktops)
as far as notebooks: all my notebooks have integrated everything (except for PCMCIA WLAN cards, which work fine), and it works fine.
andrew: you THREW IT OUT?? that's retarted. you could have given it to me

andrew: emerge pciutils&&lspci|less

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Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

ok well...

I decided to load it as a module as MADcow angrily told me to over AIM. I modprobed 8139too and it gave me this error:

MADcow · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:16 pm Post subject:

warning: this post contains offensive language. COVAR YOUR EYES CHILDARNE
(yes, reading this post with your eyes closed WILL HELP)

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

lol if hardware is my specialty, then the card works

yes I'm pretty damn sure it works because I just yanked it out of another comp (that scentence sucked - i unscrewed it from one and placed it in mine and screwed it into place [correction])

Let me see what happens now...

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

ok i see my ethernet controller on my mobo and it says it's Rhine-II - not just rhine - apparently meaning that it is a different controller which is why it wasn't working

Are there compatable and working Rhine-II drivers by any chance? atleast when i run make menuconfig it doesn't have any...

my realtek card did not show up.

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

yay some good news... I'm still pissed tho..

I got via-rhine to load. i modprobed it fine.

I still get the same error as always, however.. what the HELL haven't I done yet that I am supposed to? I dont fucking get it

digitalsy · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:14 am Post subject:

Aman9090 · Apprentice Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 234

That wasn't the reply I was expecting... no way in hell I'd go back to windows :roll:

- I was saying it was an uneducated comment, not that YOU were uneducated... but now I think you are because you so in-correctly deciphered my post..

Anyways, does someone actually have helpful information for me?

PS: You can doubt the existence of my beautiful girlfriend, however that would just prove you dont have one of your own if you have nothing better to do then to trash-talk a newbie linux user on the gentoo forums... I'm sorry, I wouldn't be asking this question and having these problems if I had a life and a girl - we have been going out for three years so dont give me that bullshit.

Again, if anyone has an answer I'm more than greatful

MADcow · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:29 am Post subject:

:sigh: no fighting, children.
what does the output from lsmod look like?