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A.S. Pushkin Guru
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:17 pm Post subject: Using a hotswap rack[SOLVED] |
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I hate to pose this question, but searches have not yielded an answer.
Last year I built a new box. My system is loaded on a Samsung 850 PRO SSD, with home partition on a Seagate Baracuda.
I decided to include a hotswap rack and currently have a Seagate 1TB installed there. The intent is primarily for files from CAD(Blender and Freecad), video and audio editing.
Currently it it does work, but I don't like the way it is mounted and wonder how I might alter that. Right now it mounts like this:
/dev/sdd2 437G 71M 414G 1% /run/media/pushkin/389cf391-5608-4b9f-be33-84939c3f37f2
/dev/sdd1 481G 70M 456G 1% /run/media/pushkin/9a84a5b7-8b2f-48ab-a5a8-6bf68365a6b7
I have a two partitions on that drive right now. I had hoped to have the rack mount under other than /mnt or /media.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. _________________ ASPushkin
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
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Roman_Gruber Advocate
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I have a two partitions on that drive right now. I had hoped to have the rack mount under other than /mnt or /media. |
mounting as /media is bad in my eyes. it was introduced with those automounters a few years ago, before it was usually alawys /mnt
When you want it to be mounted somewhere else, create a fstab entry with the uuid!
I do not rely on automounting. I mount stuff myself, or have fstab entries |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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A.S. Pushkin,
Make mount points wherever you want. Under /mnt is traditional.
Add entries to /etc/fstab to perform the mount. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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those that do backups
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A.S. Pushkin Guru
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:54 pm Post subject: Using a hotswap rack |
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Thanks for the responses.
Roman_Gruber I'm beginning to agree with you on the automount. I'm embarrassed to say I've never fully grasped mounting
so I initially was happy with it, but see this as a small problem.
NeddySeagoon thank you, too.
May I pose a question to you both? I've tried setting fstab to handle this hotswap rack. When I built this current box, I created
a special location, but I suspect Roman_Gruber is right, that is to mount at /mnt. The question I have is if I add an fstab entry can I make a generic one
that would function for any sata drive I would install in the hotswap rack, at /mnt regardless of partition schemes that may be used? Currently
the 1TB drive has two partitions, but that might vary depending on the use. The current drive is just extra space, but others might be used for
audio editing and video editing. I'm working with Blender, Freecad, ardour and kdenlive. I may jump into a commercial CAD program BricsCAD as well.
Thanks! _________________ ASPushkin
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Roman_Gruber Advocate
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Using a hotswap rack |
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A.S. Pushkin wrote: |
May I pose a question to you both? I've tried setting fstab to handle this hotswap rack. When I built this current box, I created
a special location, but I suspect Roman_Gruber is right, that is to mount at /mnt. The question I have is if I add an fstab entry can I make a generic one
that would function for any sata drive I would install in the hotswap rack, at /mnt regardless of partition schemes that may be used? |
It all depends on the use case.
USE gpt when dealing with uefi and (or) Drives bigger as 2.2TB
use e.g. UUID (check with blkid), PARTUUID? or any other unique way to name a partition.
Just generate several fstab entries. You 'll probably need ot initialize it anyway. Let'S say create gpt partition table, file system. I recommend that you will use lvm2 "Containers" (lv / vg) and creatre those fstab entries. Your can use the same mountpoint anyway because the hotswap will only allow a set of drives anyway at a point of time. I also write the lvm2 names on the drives with a marker these days
lvm2 is more flexible as the common used partition thing. IT also depends if you are using af file system which allows growing or shrinking of the partition. |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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A.S. Pushkin,
You cannot make a generic fstab entry for any hard drive.
You don't mount drives, you mount the filesystems that they contain. To do that, you need to know something about either the partition that holds the filesystem, or the partition itself.
It follows that you need to know how many partitions are on the drive at a minimum.
You can cheat a little though. If you know that several partitions are all mutually exclusive, because, say, you can only put one drive into the hot swap bay at a time, you can have several fstab entries poinitng to the same mount point.
e.g. Code: | UUID=1c981da8-f0f6-4953-b485-8dbc9e7c6879 /mnt/music ext4 noatime,nofail 1 0
UUID=24e36648-f410-40b8-931f-41ad46741a47 /mnt/music ext4 noatime,nofail 1 0
UUID=c486b7cc-6df4-4a55-8add-0691db3bbc02 /mnt/music ext4 noatime,nofail 1 0 |
If somehow to manage to have all three filesystems online at the same time, they would be mounted on top of each other at /mnt/music
You need to be sure that can't happen. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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szatox Advocate
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hint: LABEL is a very convenient feature.
I don't swap drives nearly often enough to care, but if I needed automount I'd go with a cheat script creating directories named after labels on filesystems then mounting there.
Maybe - just maybe - you could even use already existing helpers. GUI tools are doing something similar. It can be good enough unless they depend on half of the DE |
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A.S. Pushkin Guru
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:16 pm Post subject: Using a hotswap rack |
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NeddySeagoon, szatox, and Roman_Gruber, thanks for the input. It's clear I've been playing a Windose
user with my Linux box.
I like the idea of LVM, too.
I should add that I've used Clonezilla very successfuly.
Thanks. _________________ ASPushkin
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A.S. Pushkin Guru
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:05 pm Post subject: Foruther questions on Hotswap rack |
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Until my recent update, which ever drive was in the hotswap rack would be auto mounted. With that update it no longer does.
if I run the mount command I can mount it at /mnt.
When I built my current box I opted to move my distfiles to a separate drive to save space on my / drive.
Currently fstab has it mounted at /mnt, which is a problem as when I mount manually to drive in my hotswap
rack. I typically use that for CAD files and Video/audio files. I'd like to mount the distfiles drive another way.
I'm not certain if I should create a directory off of / or what, so that I can leave /mnt free. My optical drive
mounts at /media.
Suggestions would be appreciated.
TIA. _________________ ASPushkin
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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A.S. Pushkin,
/mnt is not intended to be used as a mount point itself.
Its directory containing other mount points.
Code: | $ ls /mnt
bluray floppy media usb2_32_mini usb3_16
cdrom gentoo oldvar usb2_64 usbstick |
My filesystem tree is
Code: | $ df -Th
Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/static-root ext4 976M 761M 149M 84% /
/dev/mapper/static-usr ext4 158G 109G 42G 73% /usr
/dev/dm-12 ext4 5.8G 1002M 4.5G 18% /var
tmpfs tmpfs 1.6G 180K 1.6G 1% /run
shm tmpfs 7.9G 34M 7.8G 1% /dev/shm
cgroup_root tmpfs 10M 0 10M 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/mapper/vg-home ext4 1.5T 1.1T 357G 76% /home
/dev/shm tmpfs 7.9G 20K 7.9G 1% /tmp
/dev/mapper/static-opt ext4 976M 273M 636M 31% /opt
/dev/mapper/static-local ext4 976M 6.5M 903M 1% /usr/local
/dev/mapper/static-portage ext4 3.0G 319M 2.5G 12% /usr/portage
/dev/mapper/vg-distfiles ext4 148G 117G 25G 83% /usr/portage/distfiles
/dev/shm tmpfs 7.9G 0 7.9G 0% /var/tmp/portage
/dev/mapper/vg-var ext4 58G 21G 35G 38% /mnt/oldvar |
As long as you can describe the filesystem tree in /etc/fstab, you can use it. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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A.S. Pushkin Guru
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:19 pm Post subject: Using a hotswap rack |
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Thanks for the feedback! You may have covered this here, but let me ask this question
as it clearly will vary with each drive.
As I noted, with my recent upgrade the automounter is no longer working on my hotswap rack.
I'll have to get my Unix book out as now I've been reminded that everything is about "files"
and that applies in Linux as well.
NeddySeagoon thanks for the refresher, too, about /mnt.
I've never used LVM, though I would like to have done so, but this raises still another question.
If my Linux box is not using LVM, can I set LVM up on what amounts to a portable drive, that is
a drive in a hotswap rack?
As I think about it, though I like the automounter, I do prefer having more control on what I attach to
my system.
Thanks for the help in this. _________________ ASPushkin
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A.S. Pushkin Guru
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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NeddySeagoon thanks for this reminder!
Quote: | /mnt is not intended to be used as a mount point itself.
Its directory containing other mount points. |
I created a directory at /mnt and running the mount command gave me access to the hotswap rack drive.
Often time Gentoo is painful, but the forum is one reason I continue with Gentoo as my primary Linux distro!
Thanks for the help, all who responded to my post! NeddySeagoon, your reminder was particularly important!
Thanks to all. _________________ ASPushkin
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