Raspberry Pi4 with 64 Bit Gentoo

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:34 am Post subject: Raspberry Pi4 with 64 Bit Gentoo

Team,

Gentoo on Raspberry Pi 4 in 64 bit mode is beginning to work.
Its working better every day.

The Pi 3 64 bit userland works.
The install is putting a Pi 4 /boot under an arm64 userland, such as the arm64 stage 3 and adding the Pi 4 /lib/modules/'uname -r' to the userland.

There is a brief guide on the wiki.
Be warned that it will be a while before everything works with more that a 1G RAM memory space, so users with 2G or 4G devices can only use the bottom 1G.

As the acknowledgements in the link say, its not my work. I've only tried to document it.
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crocket · Guru Joined: 29 Apr 2017 Posts: 558

Does raspberry pi kernel have yet to support 4GB RAM?

1clue · Advocate Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 2569

I'm curious how long it takes to compile the kernel, first time (clean) on the pi itself?

Back when I did a pi b+ it was about 10 hours, maybe a little more.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:11 pm Post subject:

crocket,

Only in 32 bit mode. At least, Raspbian looked like it could use all 4G and the mem_limit option is missing from the Raspbian config.txt.
Raspbian is 32 bit only.

I can confirm that a 64 bit build of the Pi Foundation kernel will not boot without mem_limit=1024.
Well I only tried 1G and 4G. Maybe there is a bug like the x86 himem bug, that allowed intel processors in 16 bit mode to address over 1M of RAM.
The problem is that the PI is a 32 bit VC4 with a 64 bit ARM CPU grafted on the side. All of the IO belongs to the 32 bit VC4.

1clue,
A 32 bit kernel or a 64 bit kernel?
Why would anyone build a kernel on the Pi, as its one of the most cross compile friendly packages out there.
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1clue · Advocate Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 2569

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:24 am Post subject:

1clue,

OK ... I'll time it.
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NeddySeagoon · Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:31 am Post subject:

Raspberry Pi 4 Kernel Building Time.

The Hardware.
A Raspberry Pi 4 in 64 bit mode. Memory constrained to 1GB meanwhile.
A SATA3 SSD on the end of USB3.
Unfortunately, my USB3 to SATA cable does not support UAS, so there is no trim/discard. UAS is on in the running kernel.
A passive heatsink Its clamped with a cable tie now that the GPIO cable has gone.
The running kernel uses the 'On Demand' CPU governor. The CPU may still go into thermal throttling, the thermal readout doesn't work yet.
There is no GUI running. The tests were done over ssh.

The test process, using the 4.19.y branch

crocket · Guru Joined: 29 Apr 2017 Posts: 558

* vcgencmd cannot be compiled as a 64bit executable. Can anyone compile 32bit executables on ARM64?
* Raspberry pi kernel doesn't support UAS. dwc_otg doesn't support scatter-gather transfers was closed. Scatter-gather is required for UAS. Without UAS, there is no TRIM.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:48 pm Post subject:

crocket,

You should be able to run 32 bit userland on top of a 64 bit bit kernel on the Pi.
dwc_otg is still there in the Pi 4 but its not used for USB3.
The OTG part is provided in the USB-C power port, so if you can power the Pi 4 and get at the USB 2 only OTG, you can play with USB OTH on the Pi 4.

UAS is off in bcm2711_defconfig, There are two different bcm2711_defconfig files in the kernel. One for 64 bit and one for 32 bit.
Take care applying most internet advice to the Pi. Unless it specifically says its for 64 bit mode, its 32 bit.
It may or may not be 32 bit bit only.
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1clue · Advocate Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 2569

Interesting.

This kind of suggests that a pi4, especially when it gets more stable, is a reasonable Gentoo platform, at least for a minimalist system. If this test alone were enough to form an opinion, then a pi4 is 10x as fast as a B+.

Just for the record, a B+ running Gentoo spends all its time running updates, for a very minimal install. Assuming you want to keep up, it actually takes longer to compile the updates than the time between updates.

Thanks, NeddySeagoon!

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:10 am Post subject:

1clue,

I used a 256MB B+ to host a mirror of kernel-seeds.org. It seemed to do that OK but my uplink would have been the bottleneck.
Since to 2012 launch of the original B+, the kernel has got a lot bigger.

That particular B+ now runs my GPS based ntp server.

I do have a 512MB B+ still, so if it was important, I can run the test.
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1clue · Advocate Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 2569

Neddy,

Not important. I actually didn't expect anyone to do all this to satisfy my curiosity, I only asked in case anyone else was also curious.

I did the compile on my B+ and got 10+ hours for the first compile. So even though the kernel is significantly different now, I know that the pi4 could make a tolerable standalone Gentoo box. It's all I wanted to know.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:13 pm Post subject:

1clue,

I was curious too. Its the first kernel build I ever did on a Pi.
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crocket · Guru Joined: 29 Apr 2017 Posts: 558

To use pi 4 as a standalone gentoo machine, you want

a large heatsink
4GB RAM
a hard disk or an SSD or a network storage

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20590

Thought I'd pass this along...

Raspberry Pi admits to faulty USB-C design on the Pi 4
"I expect this will be fixed in a future board revision," says co-creator.
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pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20590

Split off erm67's comment to Off The Wall as it was not appropriate elsewhere.
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