Consolekit? elogind? systemd-logind? None?

eccerr0r

Well, I'm curious what the distribution is like for Gentoo users that use Gentoo as a workstation.

So: for your most often used Gentoo machine that you sit at and do work/play/whatever, what console management system do you use if any?

Do NOT count servers or other machines that you connect via network only. If a server just so happens to be the machine you sit at console, then count it.

Note that this is not counting whether you use a graphical login manager, but rather a console seat manager. You probably chose one when you chose to install a desktop environment, so curious what you use. If you use more than one system, then just pick one you use.

Just wondering how soon consolekit might get lastrited in portage due to lack of use :(
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NeddySeagoon · Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:57 pm Post subject:

eccerr0r,

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I don't use anything, I really don't need it as I'm a mere simple user.

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Gatsby · Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:08 pm Post subject:

*kit-free kde5/plasma with no seat management (no consolekit, no elogind).
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Fitzcarraldo · Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:39 pm Post subject:

elogind. Converted from ConsoleKit a year ago because Microsoft made Skype for Linux dependent on systemd-logind. A choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, because ConsoleKit is/was nothing to write home about:

https://davmac.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/d-bus-consolekit-policykit-turds-upon-turds-upon-turds/
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Ant P. · Watchman Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 6920

Like most of the several billion Linux users on the planet, I have one seat and multiple devices. I don't need middle management for my ass.

dmpogo · Advocate Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 3501 Location: Canada

elogind, mostly because of Skype

marcthe12 · n00b Joined: 04 Sep 2019 Posts: 4

Elogind, Kms moderating needs root and the only way with running Xorg or Wayland as root is elogind. Now I wish if someone could create the elogind alternative that just does that and have Xorg and Wayland use is it.

Personally I do no care about elogind or systemd for that matter but have 100 issues with Pam polkit and glibc nsswitch stuff.

krinn · Watchman Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 7471

I think your question is badly ask, you should more seek "who the fuck use seats"? rather than if anyone use this or that for seats

For now even ones answering "i use elogind" are telling you they don't use it for that purpose.

Fitzcarraldo · Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:55 pm Post subject:

arnvidr · l33t Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 629 Location: Oslo, Norway

I use elogind because of sys-auth/polkit, but I'm trying to get rid of both.
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eccerr0r · Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:56 pm Post subject:

This summarizes how I use my workstations: I put in a chair for my computer even though I'm mostly the only one sitting in them. I let other people sit in it when they come but mostly it's still my seat. I suspect others install a seat on their one console machine for whatever reason too. So yes, people using a single seat should answer, don't care of reason but you're welcome to share as some have (skype... booo....), just wanted to know what brand of chair.

Main reason for using seats for me is that the DE integration with udisks/power seems more seamless for whoever is logged into the console. I've gotten too lazy to make unique mounts with sudo for each and every USB and SD card/cdrom/... I plug in, it's very nice that the integration automatically creates its own nonconflicting directory and mounts with a click - for just about any mass storage device for the user sitting at console. Just too convenient, saves me a lot of effort keeping track of temporary mount points which had gotten really unwieldy for me.

The type of chair had been consolekit for me a long time, though I now have systems of all three flavors of chairs...
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sitquietly · Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:03 pm Post subject:

Anon-E-moose · Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:26 pm Post subject:

Even inside a de/dm you don't need *kit/*logind to execute shutdown/reboot, you just need the ability to execute scripts and/or aliases along with sudo.
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Zucca · Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:09 pm Post subject:

I, in fact, have been setting up multi-seated setups. Currently I have none, but I keep elogind installed for future multi-seat madness. :P
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The Main Man · Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:49 pm Post subject:

wuzzerd · Guru Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 467 Location: New Mexico

I got two seats: a folding chair and a yoga ball. I have yet to figure out their configuration in respect to gentoo. They JustWork[tm].

Zucca · Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:51 am Post subject:

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Zucca · Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:11 pm Post subject:

I'd like to get rid of polkit. The configuration alone is one big reason. Another is webkit depency.
But since I want to keep elogind, I guess I have no choice.

Someone, please, make a lightweight, easily configurable, drop-in replacement for polkit? Anyone? :(
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asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 9377

What webkit dependency? And I don't remember configuring polkit manually at all.

eccerr0r · Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:54 pm Post subject:

I thought the Gentoo devs did pretty good with polkit default configuration, the only troubles I had were a long, long time ago.

The nasty dependency of polkit is now spidermonkey - the javascript interpreter. As much as I dislike the decision to use javascript, it does add if-then-else configureability to policy.
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Amity88 · Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:35 pm Post subject:

I use consolekit cause the Gentoo Awesome WM wiki suggests it and I've been too lazy to explore whether it's really a hard-dependency.
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Zucca · Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:10 pm Post subject:

eccerr0r · Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:47 pm Post subject:

At least spidermonkey doesn't take way too long to compile like webkit ...
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