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shadywack
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I probably landed the wonderful job that I have simply because I tried Gentoo in 2004.
No degree, no certs, and I'm well paid for my network engineering. All skill, thanks in large part to Gentoo and its community over the years.
Looking at the state of portage and how vigorous the activity is in keeping packages current, I'd say Gentoo is the best its ever been. |
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jserink
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| shadywack wrote: | I probably landed the wonderful job that I have simply because I tried Gentoo in 2004.
No degree, no certs, and I'm well paid for my network engineering. All skill, thanks in large part to Gentoo and its community over the years.
Looking at the state of portage and how vigorous the activity is in keeping packages current, I'd say Gentoo is the best its ever been. |
Agree.
The community, specifically this forum, is awesome.
The level of guru-ness available to users is really at a level that cannot be compared. All that is required is the desire to learn.
john |
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hosler
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hi. i just wanted to stop by and tell all of you that i love gentoo  |
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Antikapitalista
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| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: I consider Gentoo is nearly dead |
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| Ridrok wrote: | | What is the point of Gentoo now? I ask this question open. |
Pardon me for spamming such an informative audio thread...
... but I guess that the point of using Gentoo is that if Gentoo does indeed die, then you can still chug along alone with minimal effort.
If you were using a distribution with prebuilt packages and it suddenly died, you would be pretty much hosed.
But that is just my perception, others may have different opinions, especially if they stem from their different needs and priorities.
I can understand the convenience of a well-polished Manjaro distribution that can tap into the depths of Arch User Repository, especially with its live DVD that can install new packages and its dependencies in the blink of an eye... especially after working one's way up from little else than the kernel, the libc and the busybox.
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Tony0945
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:23 am Post subject: Re: I consider Gentoo is nearly dead |
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| Antikapitalista wrote: | | ... but I guess that the point of using Gentoo is that if Gentoo does indeed die, then you can still chug along alone with minimal effort. |
Good point, but not minimal. I'm maintaining old ebuilds, but it's tough. It's easier to write new ebuilds for packages not in portage. BTW, Linux From Scratch is a good guide to what needs to be done and what packages are dependencies. Of course, part of what makes maintenance hard is changing eclasses and EAPI's, PYTHON_TARGETS and such. |
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jserink
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:31 am Post subject: Re: I consider Gentoo is nearly dead |
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| Tony0945 wrote: | | Antikapitalista wrote: | | ... but I guess that the point of using Gentoo is that if Gentoo does indeed die, then you can still chug along alone with minimal effort. |
Good point, but not minimal. I'm maintaining old ebuilds, but it's tough. It's easier to write new ebuilds for packages not in portage. BTW, Linux From Scratch is a good guide to what needs to be done and what packages are dependencies. Of course, part of what makes maintenance hard is changing eclasses and EAPI's, PYTHON_TARGETS and such. |
Linux From Scratch is the ultimate illustration of why portage is so brilliant.
To do the secretarial work to keep track of the dependencies of 5 or 6 packages is non-trivial. A typical gentoo install has 1000 packages or more. Try and keep up with those inter-related dependencies, I dare you...i double dare you.
Portage does that for you.
Many people complain about portage but if you step back and consider what its doing for you, its limitations pale compared to its positives.
cheers,
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CaptainBlood
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:04 am Post subject: Re: I consider Gentoo is nearly dead |
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| Tony0945 wrote: | | Good point, but not minimal. I'm maintaining old ebuilds, but it's tough |
+1
Any public repository?
| jserink wrote: | | Many people complain about portage but if you step back and consider what its doing for you, its limitations pale compared to its positives. |
True, although some critical features remains missing, e.g. triggering current package binary backup before upgrade, as a slimer alternative to automated binary packaging at build, and/or portage pushing to be removed installed ebuilds to some dedicated very low priority local repository for recovery, to name a few.
Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support. |
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szatox
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| Quote: | | True, although some critical features remains missing, e.g. triggering current package binary backup before upgrade, as a slimer alternative to automated binary packaging at build, and/or portage pushing to be removed installed ebuilds to some dedicated very low priority local repository for recovery, to name a few. |
I wonder if the first one could be done with a hook.
The second one is kinda already there. If you sync from git, you can checkout an older commit, or a particular file from an older commit.
One could even write a simple script to checkout the newest version of all files that have ever been added. |
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CaptainBlood
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[quote="szatox"] | Quote: | | If you sync from git, you can checkout an older commit, or a particular file from an older commit. |
Interesting...
rsync here... I dunno how to git sync, nor how to checkout an older commit.
The wiki is missing config file exemples 
Here's a portage+layman+eix integration I fear to break while trying to go git sync.
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Tony0945
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: I consider Gentoo is nearly dead |
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| CaptainBlood wrote: | | Tony0945 wrote: | | Good point, but not minimal. I'm maintaining old ebuilds, but it's tough |
+1
Any public repository? |
No, private use. |
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NeddySeagoon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: I consider Gentoo is nearly dead |
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| Tony0945 wrote: | | CaptainBlood wrote: | | Tony0945 wrote: | | Good point, but not minimal. I'm maintaining old ebuilds, but it's tough |
+1
Any public repository? |
No, private use. |
I've taken a different approach to Tony0945. I'm keeping old concepts alive in current ebuilds.
That's probably less effort that keeping old software on life support.
No public repo yet. I don't know enough git.
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figueroa
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Minimal effort -- no not really. But you would have a source package maintainable platform. But it would never be up-to-date. With Gentoo, there is a whole army of develpers and maintainers doing the heavy lifting.
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