safe ntfs-write support through captive

opasch · n00b Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 12

Thank you very much for your reply. It worked!
Now my next question is:
I got ntfsmount to do the job on my external USB drive with ntfs partition. Can I now mount this partition with normal user permission? It would be perfect if I could allow Gnome Volume Manager to do that for me as it is actually doing for my USB-pen drive which works very smoothly. How can I instruct GVM to mount a device with a specific different mount command (ntfsmount in this case) and do that for any normal user (kinda su-do it, I guess). If rw support is not feasible for normal user it would be enough for me to mount this device ro to the normal users but still I'd get advantage of the flexibility of having my external ntfs drive box mounted one click away. At the moment GVM is able to mount my USB ntfs drive using the kernel ntfs support which I enabled but it's kinda useless because it needs root permissions even to read it (although I can mount it without being root).

martindv · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject:

anyone have seen this?

martindv · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject:

It's now working.. thank you.

The problem was that ntfs.sys was a file from winXPsp2 i got a sp1 ntfs.sys and it became working.

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SpineBuster · n00b Joined: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 14

Hi!
I tried the current CVS version of ntfsprogs. It look very promising, you can create dirs and copy files (write access), sometimes you get a "function not supported". It should'nt take that long till we have full write support.
I'm not a good C programmer otherwise I would help these guys...

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SpineBuster · n00b Joined: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 14

"ntfsprogs 1.12.0 released
The next release ntfsprogs release is here! This has lots of enhancements and bug fixes. Notably, the FUSE module ntfsmount, now has limited support for deleting/creating files and directories as well as hardlinks."

SpineBuster · n00b Joined: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 14

ntfsprogs 1.12.1 released.
It's now in the portage, so feel free to test ist. (Don't forget the USE="fuse")

Lucractius · n00b Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 43 Location: Australia

I sit and spend most of a day trying to decide on what method to take with NTFS access on my box, and i wind up with only one conclusion. that the kernel ntfs support is useless, thank god i made that a module not compiled in lol.

Im left still wondering just whats going on with ntfs-mount through FUSE, and captive using FUSE. Im aware of the fact NTFS carries a hge YMMV warning on all things, at least to me it does, and its making the decision harder.

I have 160 gig of NTFS files, a 40gig and a 120gig disk, both full, no room to make temporary swapover things and slowly resze away the NTFS, im loaded, It took a week to squeeze clean the 40 gig my Gentoo (and probably Gentoo-FreeBSD will share this too) resides on. I need reliable NTFS.

Reliable here means that its not gonna break my files. Im worried enough by the 120 gig ntfs as it is... i think the partition is getting flaky, or mabey the usb connection just inst totaly clean, either way. I dont have any way to avoid direct NTFS access. Surely someone(s) could shed light on the key points here?

a table wold be good

Captive | ntfs-mount
y/n (or other as appropriate)

1 - accurate read only ( if my 120 keeps acting up i want a way to get the damn files off safe without any further risk to the filesystem)
2 - write support ( generaly )
3 - write support ( safe )
4 - write support ( equivalent to windows ) {im guesing captive is the only contender here, but even it may not be able to, thats why im asking }
5 - stability ( how stable are the implementations, few crashes, issues with non disk reading side of the software? )
6 - performance ( i guess no one realy has accurate i/o benchmarks for this, so ill settle for any real concrete info regarding preformance issues, in an objective context, no "ntfs-mount is better than captive and i dont need to validate my opinion " responses please

)

The migration path from Windows Xp pro on my box to Linux & BSD is gonna be a long one, Im low on the $ or else id just shell out for a new disk or if i felt perverse, that paragon ntfs for linux driver. But i dont, so i cant take the easy or safe way, i have to settle for carefuly taking the hard way. besides the hard way is funner

i wouldnt be using gnetoo if i didnt like to go against the grain lol

But essentialy i need to start getting app compatibility with my files on the 160 gig of NTFS partitions, things like Games and Apps under wine, whose files are stored on the ntfs partitions and the ability to slowly reduce my use of the NTFS partitions as i transition files away either in small backups, or clearing out dupes, or just deciding i dont want the files, but id like to be doing that in linux rahter than spending 10 minutes rebooting and loading up windows to do anything with them.

kadajawi · n00b Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 20

Captive is slooooooooooooooooooooow. Like, 200 kb/s. It seems to put all data into your RAM. And doesn't delete it after that... which may be troublesome.

Lucractius · n00b Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 43 Location: Australia

ive seen worse before. but im trying to make an informed judgement on what to use,

so if thers anything else you can say about them, answering the other points perhaps

feel free.

Im sure others will also find the informaton useful when they wind up trying to decide themselves since im sure im not the only one.

kadajawi · n00b Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 20

Hm... another thing I noticed with Captive... it seems to be unable to delete files, but it used to work, so I have no clue what happened. And ntfs-mount is supposed to have improved...

There seems to be some commercial solution, I think by Paragon. I suppose that one will work, if you can get it running (I couldn't with the demo).

Lucractius · n00b Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 43 Location: Australia

Realy the most important pecie of info is how safe it is to use them, Risk of catastrophic damage occuring to my files using each of them... theres no real clear definition of the coparitive dangers

lousyd · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject: Kernel 2.6.15 NTFS-write

According to kernelnewbies.org, kernel 2.6.15 will have support for NTFS-write built in.

http://wiki.kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
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drescherjm · Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject:

MickKi · Veteran Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 1173

I have emerged captive and all its (gnome) dependencies, but when I ran "# /usr/sbin/captive-install-acquire" just as the ebuild tells me to do - it can't find the path . . .

Kow · Apprentice Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 227

ewtrowbr · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject:

Captive is AWESOME. Now I can have a USBdrive that can easily travel between my work XP machine and home Linux environment.

fat32 was not an option, because XP kept trying to reformat it. A windows guru maybe could have overcome this. I couldn't.

EXT3 was not an option because ext2ifs does not provide write support.

Kernel ntfs write support is great, if all I want to do is overwrite existing files without changing the file length. (lol)

Captive NTFS was a snap to get running. It is very pokey, but meets all my functional requirements.

I highly recomend this package for ntfs write support.

erich

DerRalf · n00b Joined: 13 Dec 2003 Posts: 34 Location: Bay Area, CA